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50NL: BvB Check or Bet Turn With Overpair 50NL: BvB Check or Bet Turn With Overpair

02-21-2017 , 07:41 AM
iPoker, £0.25/£0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

UTG: £54.22 (108.4bb)
MP: £50 (100bb)
CO: £52.87 (105.7bb)
BTN: £76.46 (152.9bb)
Hero (SB): £59.60 (119.2bb)
BB: £56.85 (113.7bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with KK
4 folds, Hero raises to £1.25, BB calls £0.75

Flop: (£2.50) 97Q (2 players)
Hero bets £1.50, BB calls

Turn: (£5.50) J (2 players)
Hero

Villain is playing 26/18 over 206 hands, they seem to have a reasonable BB defending frequency thus far.

This is a spot that I definitely used to double barrel without much thought.

On one hand, this improves quite a few hands in villains range (QJ, J9, T8, KT - we block it but they should still have 8 combos), but on the other, villain will still call with Qx, Tx and Jx. So is KK better put in our x-calling range OTT or our bet-folding range?

Fwiw their flop fold to cbet has been 18% so far (2/11).
02-21-2017 , 01:04 PM
You'll struggle to get three streets of value imo, so will need to put a check on somewhere. I guess I'd be looking villains floating tendencies to determine if turn or river is a better place to do so.


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02-21-2017 , 03:33 PM
Just bet turn and fold to a raise. Lots of value to be had from pair + draw. They arent raising since they have SDV, generally. I really dont expect to get raised here ever unless it's a straight though. Raising two pair here as the BB when we have a ton of sets/straights is suicide
02-21-2017 , 04:06 PM
Easy 3 streets of value sb vs bb
02-21-2017 , 04:23 PM
Agreed on most run outs, especially OOP
02-21-2017 , 07:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by IClickButtons
Easy 3 streets of value sb vs bb
I don't really agree. I think he lets go hands Q10/TP+ draw and pair + draw to a 3-barrel since our range is pretty strong OTR. The board is completely rainbow so there arent really any draws that missed when we raise from the SB. It doesn't make sense for example to 3-barrel J10 on this runout where we have SDV and a draw we dont want to get blown off. The hands that have a 10 in them are either straights or are trying to get to showdown, not 3-barreling off

Since we also have all sets/straights/tons of two pair combo, I imagine a lot of good regs' calling range OTT to be pretty strong and to include a good % of slowplayed straights, lots of two pairs, and some sets. I'd probably just x/f OTR with KK. X/jamming as a bluff is alright too given how nutted that line is, but I really dont think BvB anyone folds anything decent
02-22-2017 , 08:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Minatorr
I don't really agree. I think he lets go hands Q10/TP+ draw and pair + draw to a 3-barrel since our range is pretty strong OTR. The board is completely rainbow so there arent really any draws that missed when we raise from the SB. It doesn't make sense for example to 3-barrel J10 on this runout where we have SDV and a draw we dont want to get blown off. The hands that have a 10 in them are either straights or are trying to get to showdown, not 3-barreling off

Since we also have all sets/straights/tons of two pair combo, I imagine a lot of good regs' calling range OTT to be pretty strong and to include a good % of slowplayed straights, lots of two pairs, and some sets. I'd probably just x/f OTR with KK. X/jamming as a bluff is alright too given how nutted that line is, but I really dont think BvB anyone folds anything decent
I have enough hands to 3barrel bluff here, and I agree that JT is not one if them. Not betting blank river with KK looks pretty nitty.
02-22-2017 , 08:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by IClickButtons
Not betting blank river with KK looks pretty nitty.
Especially OOP!
02-22-2017 , 09:56 AM
Thanks for your responses!

I'm a little skeptical that I can get 3 streets here vs a realtively unknown. If I had some confirmation that this villain was a weak reg that would call down 3 streets with Qx and maybe get sticky with some stronger Jx then I would just bet every street. However, I think it could be a dangerous assumption without some evidence of them being capable of that.
02-22-2017 , 10:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DanteHaversham
Thanks for your responses!

I'm a little skeptical that I can get 3 streets here vs a realtively unknown. If I had some confirmation that this villain was a weak reg that would call down 3 streets with Qx and maybe get sticky with some stronger Jx then I would just bet every street. However, I think it could be a dangerous assumption without some evidence of them being capable of that.
You mispelled strong (although in practice, it might be best to overfold). We definitely cannot get 3 streets on all run outs but I think it's safe to bet on a T,K or blank.
02-23-2017 , 06:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ojune
You mispelled strong (although in practice, it might be best to overfold). We definitely cannot get 3 streets on all run outs but I think it's safe to bet on a T,K or blank.
Haha, yeah sorry that was a bit general of me. From what I've seen in these games, it's definitely correct to overfold in most situations. The regs that would typically call down 3 streets with top pair or Jx here will just do so with top pair on any kind of board purely because they have top pair and no other reason, so maybe I'm disassociating it with being weak because I would likely make an effort to underbluff and not bet worse than good top pair for value - not that they would know that or pay attention to it though.
02-23-2017 , 07:38 AM
*incorrectly associating
02-24-2017 , 11:16 AM
It's a mistake to think you'll get 3 streets before seeing river. One street at a time.
02-24-2017 , 11:47 AM
One thing is for sure : if you check you're not gonna get those 3 streets.

      
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