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Old 06-02-2011, 02:50 PM   #61
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Re: Fight for Poker Rights: Wednesday, June 1st (see post #1 for today's plan)

It's very telling that a thread such as this gets 1/10th the views of a thread about Juanda having a verbal disagreement with some fat slob.
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Old 06-02-2011, 03:04 PM   #62
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Here's what I wrote to CNN to all sources linked. I didnt take a ton of time with it but any feedback would be cool.
April 15th were the indictments, right?
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Old 06-02-2011, 03:14 PM   #63
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Re: Fight for Poker Rights: Thursday, June 2nd (see post #1 for today's plan)

made my rounds for the day and wanted to pop in and say thanks Rich. keep up the good work.
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Old 06-02-2011, 06:21 PM   #64
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April 15th were the indictments, right?
ya, I just messed up there
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made my rounds for the day and wanted to pop in and say thanks Rich. keep up the good work.
Thanks!
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Old 06-03-2011, 04:21 AM   #66
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Re: Fight for Poker Rights: Thursday, June 2nd (see post #1 for today's plan)

Fight for Poker Rights: Friday, June 3rd:

The newly updated PPA pre-written letters to Congress and other lawmakers are up. They will be there only until Rep. Barton's poker bill is introduced to the House (in other words, not very long), so let's all get these new letters out. As always, they are at www.theppa.org/takeaction.

If you sent yours in yesterday, please use today to encourage friends, relatives, coworkers, your significant other, fellow posters, coworkers, and anyone else you can find to join us in sending these letters to their lawmakers.

Recurring actions we can take:
  • Let's continue to own a lot of Facebook pages (senators, Congressmen, Congressional committees, etc.):
    • The House Financial Services Committee's Facebook page is here.
    • Let's get some posts on the House Committee on Energy and Commerce page (here)
    • The Dept. of Justice's page is here.
    • Senators' FB pages: Senator Facebook Listing
    • We need lots of posts on the issue of poker and lots of "liking" of pro-poker comments.
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Old 06-03-2011, 07:50 AM   #67
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It's very telling that a thread such as this gets 1/10th the views of a thread about Juanda having a verbal disagreement with some fat slob.
Even more telling is the bazillion people making comments on Ivey's Facebook page versus the hundreds to thousands of people making pro-poker comments on various government Facebook pages.

A way-too-large percentage of people are still sitting around and hoping that someone else wins this fight for them.

COME ON TWO PLUS TWO LET'S GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGO!
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Old 06-03-2011, 09:06 AM   #68
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To those who doubt that writing letters and sending emails is pointless, try this on for size.

I have emailed Senator Tom Carper in the past and have gotten the standard "I will keep your views in mind" type respose. Last month I had a conversation with an aide in the Senator's office (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/57...-hole-1028120/) and learned that the Senator was not involved in the matter and had not paid much attention to the matter.

Last night I sent the PPA form emails again - no personal edits, no extended effort, nothing more than a minute of my life. This morning I got the response below. Yes, it is a form response, but note how different it is compared to just five weeks ago.

Folks, they are listening to us. Guys like Senator Carper, who did not have a formal stance before, are starting to hear us.

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Dear Mr. Tilt:
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Thank you for contacting me to express your concerns with the Department of Justice's
recent actions against the online poker industry. I appreciate hearing the input of avid poker players, like you, on this matter.
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As you know, Americans wager an estimated $5 billion per year on Internet gambling. Online casinos have risen in popularity in recent years, due in large part to the expansion of Internet poker. In response, both states and the federal government have enacted legislation to regulate or restrict Internet gambling. While it is true that state and federal laws prohibit most forms of Internet gambling, enforcing these regulations has proven to be difficult.
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With that said, on April 15, 2011 the Department of Justice charged a number of individuals associated with the three largest online poker sitesóPokerStars, Full Tilt Poker, and Absolute Pokerówith with bank fraud, illegal gambling offenses, and laundering billions in illegal gambling proceeds. I understand that a number of bank accounts associated with the websites have been frozen, and many consumers are still finding it difficult to withdraw funds. Please be assured that I will pass along your concerns to my colleagues on the Senate Judiciary Committee, the Committee with jurisdiction over this matter.
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In response to your other concern, Senator Harry Reid(D-NV) attempted to include*provisions that would establish a comprehensive licensing and regulatory framework internet gambling, which* could generate as much as $42 billion in tax revenue**at the end of*the 111th Congress. While those efforts ultimately proved unsuccessful,*Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA)reintroduced*a bill (H.R. 1174) in the 112th Congress on March 17, 2011 that would do just that. H.R. 1174 has been referred to the House Financial Services*Committee for further review.

I have heard from a number of constituents who argue that legalizing and regulating Internet gambling could put gambling providers in a position to set limits on wagers and restrain excess gambling. Additionally, proponents of amending the bill, argue that regulating Internet gambling, instead of criminalizing it, could help reduce fraudulent activity associated with the industry. I believe that the concerns raised in your correspondence deserve consideration. At this time, however, no companion legislation to H.R. 1174 is pending in the Senate.

Should I get the chance to consider measures that would legalize and regulate Internet gambling in the 112th Congress, I will be sure to keep your views in mind. Thank you again for contacting my office regarding this issue. Please feel free to contact my office in the future about this or any other matter of importance to you.
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Old 06-03-2011, 09:15 AM   #69
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I don't know what the hell is up with all of those asteriks. That isn't how the original email is formatted.
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Re: Fight for Poker Rights: Wednesday, June 1st (see post #1 for today's plan)

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A way-too-large percentage of people are still sitting around and hoping that someone else wins this fight for them.

COME ON TWO PLUS TWO LET'S GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGO!
I agree, and I think part of this problem can be helped by mersenneary's suggestion of creating measurable short term goals:

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1. Make smaller sub-goals that are more tangible and achievable.

There should be daily and/or weekly goals that can be measured. For the week of June 6th through June 12th, for example, make a goal that 500 2+2 users will sign-on to a list of people who have sent CNN a message asking them to increase their coverage of poker. Maybe that number should be higher or lower, I'm not sure, whatever seems appropriate based on current action levels. The point is that being one person who writes a letter to CNN, that gets poker more coverage, that gets politicians to pass a poker bill, is a daunting and probably useless thing to try, as an individual. But being one person who is part of 500 who helped make the group reach their goal? That makes people feel like they've actually done something. And if the participation increases significantly because of it, than it does mean they actually will have done something. When we get 500, we can go for 750, then 1000, then 1500, with new media targets, and so on. Get people feel like we're accomplishing something and the movement is growing stronger, not just that we're all taking shots in the dark that random actions may or may not be helping and may or may not be growing in significance.
Whether it's out of apathy, laziness, or just a sense that a "GTO strategy" for taking action is to do nothing, a tiny percentage of the potential lobbying force of poker players on 2p2 is actually taking action.

This is easily evidenced by the "13 people like this" etc on facebook comments. It would be great to see 100+ new comments on these facebook pages each day along with 100+ likes on every comment.


So, let's set some measurable short term goals for the next week.

For myself:

Post at least 1 comment per day on the House Financial Services FB page, the Energy and Commerce FB page, and 3 different senators or congress people. I will cut and paste the same message. Time required for action: <5 minutes.

At the end of the day, go through the Committee's FB pages and like all pro-poker comments. Time required for action: ~5 minutes.

Send off the PPA take action pre-written emails each day. Time required for action: <5 minutes.


For the group:

It's difficult to dictate what the goals of 'the group' i.e. 2p2 / poker players in general should be, but I think getting up to at least 30 'likes' on each and every pro poker comment by the end of the week is a reasonable and measurable goal.

Get over 400 "supporters" on popvox for H.R. 1174 by the end of the week. There are 348 currently. Our percentage has been slipping steadily from a high of around 92% support, to 86% support currently. This site automatically sends emails of 'support' to your representatives. Send this to your friends and family if you have not already... it's super easy and the site is pretty neat. https://www.popvox.com/bills/us/112/hr1174

It would be great to get a baseline number from the PPA on how many emails are being sent through their system per week. We could then make a measurable goal to increase that by volume by 5 or 10%. Can you help with this TE?

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Old 06-03-2011, 12:44 PM   #71
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Old 06-03-2011, 01:31 PM   #72
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Re: Fight for Poker Rights: Friday, June 3rd (see post #1 for today's plan)

My goals are to keep up with what I have been doing and come up with more ways to support regulation of online poker in the US.
I too share the frustration that more people care about a fight John Juanda gets into than Fighting for their freedoms.
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Old 06-03-2011, 01:32 PM   #73
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Re: Fight for Poker Rights: Friday, June 3rd (see post #1 for today's plan)

go vote here and "appreciate" pro-poker comments
https://www.popvox.com/bills/us/112/hr1174
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Old 06-03-2011, 03:23 PM   #74
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I guess I'll just quote this here then because it was deemed a quality enough of a view to be an OP in NVG.
Thanks for the taking the time to review this Mersenneary. It's much appreciated!

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The situation: The PPA has been running a daily "take action" campaign. In my view, this has been pretty ineffective at galvanizing the poker community and getting a lot of people involved.
It's actually not a PPA action. It's my personal action that I develop with the 2+2 community. I've been posting or recording for podcasts Fight for Poker Rights since the passage of UIGEA. Not only does this predate my PPA Board membership -- it predates by PPA membership entirely. While I do want everyone here to participate, I created it specifically to provide actions for those who are self-motivated to step up for the right to play.

Participation has been increasing. We have a Skype discussion group behind it as well. We've not yet galvanized the entire community, as you note. It's my hope that we'll make that happen via continued growth and attention to the issue.

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since Mason Malmuth is my personal hero, I decided to post it in NVG rather than just PM someone.
Mason has offered great support for this initiative. I hope everyone will take his advice and participate:
Two Plus Two Poker Strategy Magazine - June 2011 Publisher Note
by Mason Malmuth

Two Plus Two Magazine, Vol. 7, No. 6
http://www.twoplustwo.com/magazine/issue78/

As most everyone knows, the current news concerning online poker is not good. In addition to the original indictments issued on April 15, 2011, another set of indictments have been issued this last week of May. However, we at Two Plus Two don’t think that everything is lost for US players, and The Engineer has started a Daily Action Plan for those of you who are interested in bringing this cause to Congress. See the top of each forum for the “Fight for Poker Rights” announcement and we hope that many of you choose to participate in whatever The Engineer suggests....
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1. The goals seem unattainable for one person.

The PPA's main longterm goal is to make internet poker legal, free, and safe in America. To accomplish this, the suggestion is that we should "like" comments on facebook and send a "man shakes fist at cloud" email to CNN. These actions have effects, but when that's the goal we're all fighting for, whether I make a facebook post or not or send an email really doesn't matter. It doesn't make any measurable progress to any measurable goal that the PPA has set, and that drives apathy.
PPA asks that everyone write and call their lawmakers, write to media, etc. Fight for Poker Rights is different. It provides smaller, more specific action items that allow us to focus our efforts on more accessible targets. After all, it takes just a few letters to media with requests to cover specific stories to let them know that their readers/viewers care about this issue. Similarly, filling an entire House committee's Facebook page with pro-poker comments and having no anti-poker comments in reply makes a difference.

That being said, this is a community effort. I hope everyone will think about ideas they'd like to see in Fight for Poker Rights. Simply PM me, post them here, or share them within the Skype group. In fact, it's hard for me to come up with new stuff every day, so I welcome this greatly.

I also hope everyone will promote this (in a non-spammy way, of course).

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2. Diffusion of responsibility runs rampant.
Unfortunately, that's not a new problem. I try to lead by example, as do many here. I hope that, in the aftermath of Black Friday, more will do the same.

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3. There is currently little to no personal or social benefit for taking action.
Same problem as #2, largely. It's easier to let others do the heavy lifting. However, there really is a benefit to us all acting together. It helps us win our right to play and it helps us optimize the legislation that gets us there.

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4. The PPA's name is toxic right now.
I don't know about that. PPA has supporters and detractors. I do recognize issues in perception. In fact, that's why I've moved into a bigger role at PPA. It's to address this very concern.

It is my hope that I'll succeed here, obviously, but in the mean time there is no reason for anyone not to support PPA's drive for legislation.

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1. Make smaller sub-goals that are more tangible and achievable.
That sounds like a good suggestion. I'm all in favor of metrics.

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2. Appeal to personal and social benefit.

Get some poker celebrities to sign onto the lists. If Tom Dwan posts "45. durrrr", I guarantee numbers 46-55 are going to get posted pretty damn quickly. People get excited when they see users they respect helping out and being another one of the group. It also creates a more compelling call to action - if you're on this list and you sent your email to CNN/blasted Spencer Bachus on Facebook today, you've helped. If you're not, why aren't you? There's none of that right now. Allowing people to more easily and recognizably go on record supporting the fight will increase the benefit from doing so.
I'll see what I can do. Thanks!
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Old 06-04-2011, 01:15 PM   #75
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Re: Fight for Poker Rights: Weekend of June 4th (see post #1 for today's plan)

Fight for Poker Rights: Weekend of June 4th:

The newly updated state level PPA pre-written letter is up. As any federal bill with contain some mechanism to permit states not to participate if they don't wish, it's up to all of us to demand that they do!

So, let's all send this letter, plus send the other two if you've not yet done so. Again, these will be updated when Rep. Barton's poker bill is introduced to the House (in other words, soon), so let's all get these new letters out.

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Also, please encourage friends, relatives, coworkers, your significant other, fellow posters, coworkers, and anyone else you can find to join us in sending these letters to their lawmakers!

Recurring actions we can take:
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    • The House Financial Services Committee's Facebook page is here.
    • Let's get some posts on the House Committee on Energy and Commerce page (here)
    • The Dept. of Justice's page is here.
    • Senators' FB pages: Senator Facebook Listing
    • We need lots of posts on the issue of poker and lots of "liking" of pro-poker comments.
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