I have been advised to x-post this here from Internet Poker for maximum exposure of the situation.


http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...onths-1334933/

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...g-see-1335571/

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...bills-1336867/


The Poker in Venice (PIV) network has not been paying withdrawals requests for several months. I dont have the exact number, but we are talking about multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars.

The LGA (http://www.lga.org.mt/lga/home.aspx), lotteries and gaming authority in Malta, which provided the license to allow PIV to run his operations is apparently doing nothing to help the players. None of the multiple emails that the players involved and I sent are being answered.


PIV recently admitted being in deep financial trouble and proposed a ridiculous solution to its players. Basically, they have to accept having their account balance transferred to an obscure site (play2b poker) where they will have to rake 75% of their balance before being able to cash it out. Here is the exact email that was sent :

We are pleased to inform you that PIVGAME, thanks to a partnership agreement with Goalgaming Limited, can give you the opportunity to benefit immediately from a Bonus, equal to the value of your player account balance of 29.694 euros on our network.

In order to redeem your Bonus with Goalgaming Limited, and automatically have the right to request the corresponding withdrawal, you must produce within 5 months after the first login, rake equivalent to 75% of the amount available in the player account. It is understood that any of the winnings gained from the first day will only be payable when the target is achieved - whilst all the amounts deposited to Goalgaming Limited, with any method of payment will be paid at any time at your request.

This promotion is valid from Today. We inform you that after 10 days have expired from the time of this notice, your current balance will be deleted from PIVGAME’s accounts and you can login to your player account on the Goalgaming Limited website through the following link: ........there you will immediately find a Bonus of equal amount and available to start playing. The terms and conditions related to this promotion are available on this link:

You can Login using your current username and email address. Then, please immediately request a Password Reset.

• The player will receive a bonus amount in his player’s account equal to the amount owed to him by PIVGAME Limited
• In no case shall the amount owed by PIVGAME to the player be owed by Goalgaming Limited except as a bonus which may only be cashed out in the manner explained below
• To be able to cash out the bonus amount, the player must rake at least 75% of the bonus amount within five (5) months from the first log in
• The selected player will be required to rake at a minimum of 5% of the received bonus money every week or the bonus will be reduced by 5%. One week counts from Monday 00:00 GMT to Sunday 23:59 GMT
• Only the rake from Play2B Poker will count towards the rake target
• The selected player will not be able to withdraw any part of this bonus amount in his player’s account or any winnings received for gameplay or promotions for the duration of the campaign
• Amounts deposited to the system through bank transfer, Web wallets or credit cards can be withdrawn up to the amount deposited
• Goalgaming Limited reserves the right to cancel or withdraw the promotion or change the criteria for the promotion at any time regardless of reason

Regards,

Customer Service
PIVGAME Network
_________________________________
customerservice@pivgame.com





It is to be noted that deposits are still accepted on the skin where I currently have my PIV account , TargetPoker. Any money deposited by anyone on this site will obviously disappear. This situation has to be known to the whole poker world. People also have to understand that a LGA license is basically worthless at this point.

Another shady site. Spread the word. GL w everything myboiGreg

I am victim of those thieves.

We inform you that after 10 days have expired from the time of this notice, your current balance will be deleted from PIVGAME’s accounts.


Wow

that whole email is wow....that they think its better than any alternative is ridic....are they really saying you must deposit 1st to even be eligible for their scam, then rake 75% of original balance to get original balance?

Also have money locked up there, i first tried to withdraw the money on 29/10/2012, obviously the money never arrived so i proceeded to email and email to threaten to out all the info that i had on here to which i got this email back from PIV's lawyers:

Without Prejudice

I have been instructed by PIVGAME Ltd (the “Company”) to reply to your latest email.

I understand from my client that during the past days you have been systematically threatening my clients through similar emails.

My client has confirmed that all monies pertaining to your account are held by Muchos Poker or for Muchos’ account and not PIVGAME Ltd . PIVGAME Ltd has terminated its arrangement with Muchos in October 2012 and therefore your claim should be directed to Muchos.

Unlike Muchos, PIVGAME Ltd is licensed by the Lotteries and Gaming Authority in Malta – a reputable EU online gaming regulator. My client is aware of its regulatory commitments and its obligations vis-a-vis client monies and requests. If your request was a legitimate one, my client would not have hesitated to comply with it and honour its commitments. Having said that my client, will not allow anyone to tarnish its reputation and player confidence. My client will also not succumb to any threats by paying what is not due.

By means of this email, PIVGAME Ltd is thereby calling upon you to desist from pursuing your unfounded claims against it any further. PIVGAME Ltd is moreover, holding you responsible for any damages which it suffers as a result of any defamatory comments, statements or communications which are directly or indirectly attributable to you. Clearly, this is without prejudice to any other action which PIVGAME Ltd may resort to in order to protect its interests, employees, stakeholders and reputation.

So much for your guidance.

So i then complained to the LGA and got confirmation of receipt from them on December the 15th 2012, i have emailed them 3 times since to follow up but never heard anything back.

Muchos constantly told me it was all PIV's fault, PIV told me it was muchos fault and that they had granted the money to my muchos account. I know muchos are in a court battle with PIV atm and have been for several months!

In the lefort thread i noticed this was posted http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...5&postcount=98

So i have emailed that aswel to see what happens!!!

lga malta again

makes kawahanake look like a solid regulator

Why, just why? So many more options and you choose a shady site like them? Anywho, best if luck and hope everything works out with these scumbags.

At what point do you just stop giving your money to thieves? For US players, you have to accept the fact that you should not be playing online poker. Period. The sympathy well has run dry on "XXXXXX Poker is not honoring withdrawls". Yes, they stole your money and you had ample warning and ignored it. Lie with dogs and you wake up with fleas. And no money.........

At what point do people keep writing that ****^ and think it helps in anyway apart from making the thread longer?

He's not american and what's the point of saying blablabal don't play there blablabla. Just stfu if you have nothing to add. He's informing the community about a POS shady scum site. NVG gonna NVG.

Free country we were once told, but we are not allowed to freely spend our money(we can but we have a difficult time collecting our winnings now) thanks to a piece of pork attached to a port security bill. I have no respect for unjust laws.

Its been 2 years and still no play or pay. Plenty of shady sites out there ready to take your money, the legal status of online poker has helped create this. The demand for online poker is too high for scam artist not to take advantage of a sucker.

Similar story here (as described in Lefort's thread). Got 10k stuck there with PIV and the LGA both ignoring me. I've even facebooked some on the LGA's board of directors who tell me they are "looking into it" but nothing happens.

What is the LGA there for again? PIV is obviously robbing everyone.

you're an idiot

What a bunch of idiots:

1- Give money to shady poker site
2- Don't get withdrawls from shady poker site (what a shocker!)
3- Start thread about how not getting withdrawls from shady poker site
4- Deposit money with another shady poker site
5- Rinse Repeat 3 or 4 more times expecting different outcome

Here's a news flash for you:

THEY ARE ALL SHADY SCUM SITES!!!! YOU JUST HAVEN'T FIGURED IT OUT YET!!!

http://pokerfuse.com/news/poker-room...s-mount-29-05/

Thats what you are when you willingly hand your cash over to people who are unregulated, unaudited, located in foreign countries under the perview of some fake gaming commission on an island, Indian reservation, or some guy's treehouse. Dumb!

How hard would it be for 2p2 to invade Malta? Kickstarter anyone? (Lost money on Eurolinx.)

I dont have any money stuck, but if i would have.. i would try to get like 5-10 players and hire a lawyer ... maye Malta, maybe some other european distrcition

And let him send a letter to LGA ... where its stated that if LGA dont take actions to secure the Balances on PIV from the Players ... he is going to the European Court of Justice right away and start legal actions there.

I think for the LGA and Malta its so threathening that they will and must act.


any other post like, dont play there ... LGA is **** ... dont bring anyone anything

You need to start forming yourself .. create a Player Alliance, where every Player pays them monthly 50$/€ or something so they can act on Players behalf if things like this happen ( hiring best lawyers, experts ect.... )

Right now every Player is alone .. so maybe thats a chance to group now and be stronger togheter as alone

You two with the first letters of your name reversed make a cute couple.

maybe its better giving a Plan

take one which you think you can trust and send him over all balances with nicknames, and maybe screenshots before PIV is erasing everything

get him contact few lawyers and get a fixed price for rolling out legal claims against PIV, LGA ( and a Bonus when winning the case )

but take a good one, dont need to be a maltese one ... im sure they have good lawyers too ( PIV, LGA )

Than calculate how much everyone needs to give for the Lawyer and his work

This legal battle will take a while but im more thinking LGA will act before it comes that far.

If at any point there will be made an agreement, try to put the lawyers cost on top ... if they are willing to agree on something you can be sure they have doubts winning the claim .... and such a claim cost them more as the cost for the Lawyer

So now you guys are going to sue a corrupt online poker site that is going broke? It was dumb enough that you gave them money in the first place. Now you want to sue?

1- File suit
2- Have to win suit
3- HAVE TO COLLECT!!!!

I don't even need to go through the complexities and cost of #1 and #2. They stole your money, its gone, there is nothing to collect.

The motto of LGA "The hands off regulator"

I lost money on Minted/Everleaf. 15 emails to LGA and nothing.

The LGA answers to the Finance Minister of Malta and the law giving LGA power was passed by the Maltese government.

piv are still accepting deposits
there is no psa up on their main website and support is still claiming withdrawals will take up to ten days