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Yes, I also believe Hellmuth has fallen behind the field nowadays, but this could be the momentum he's looking for going into some upcoming events and just a few months out of the WSOP. A big win here could do a lot for him in terms of confidence. On the other side of the spectrum, getting to this final table and busting out early could really devastate him so we'll have to see how it plays out.

I think the most interesting matchup would be Hellmuth and Andy Seth heads up in a young-versus-old, new-school-against-old-school battle.

As you can read at his blog, Hellmuth's all about this new PEMM kick (P – positive, E – Exercise, M – Moment, M – Meditation), so who knows, maybe he'll be turning things around.

He has admitted that he needs to work on his math game, so who knows what 2010 will bring for Hellmuth.

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03-12-2010 , 08:43 PM

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MrDon

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http://www.wpt.com/media_library/Vid..._Hellmuth.aspx

He's pretty close to that reporter...

How many WPT final tables did Ivey have to win one ? 7,8 or something like that.

Hellmuth claims this is his 4th.

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03-12-2010 , 08:47 PM

#105

wezvidz

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this live stream is a joke, can't hear matt at all, only the two dummies by the mic having conversation.

any hand by hand updates on a site somewhere?

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03-12-2010 , 08:48 PM

#106

MrDon

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Originally Posted by wezvidz

this live stream is a joke, can't hear matt at all, only the two dummies by the mic having conversation.

any hand by hand updates on a site somewhere?

http://www.wpt.com/Live_Updates/Live.aspx

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03-12-2010 , 08:51 PM

#107

moki

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Originally Posted by MrDon

http://www.wpt.com/Live_Updates/Live.aspx

URL does not work. Redirects to a forum, then spews an error.

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03-12-2010 , 09:10 PM

#108

3hiGOOT?

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Originally Posted by Mike Johnson

Just to throw a little stats into the discussion. Phil Hellmuth has won exactly 2 poker tournaments(June 2007 and June of 2006) since May of 2003. 2 wins in nearly 7 years. 2 wins since Moneymaker won the main event. 2 wins since the rest of the world starting playing the game. He has no victories in almost 3 years.
http://www.pokerpages.com/player-pro...l-hellmuth.htm

I am not counting the NBC heads-up crapshoot as a tournament win.

so what timeframe is required to justify a player's greatness? the most all time is still the most all time, no matter how you slice it right? Anyone can say 'oh just give Ivey a few more years', its the same argument of Tiger vs. Nicklaus in golf.

p.s. I counted 4 wins (including the two you mentioned, and WPT performances), 12 total final tables , and over 3.2 mil in earnings in said time frame, in what has arguably been the hardest tournament time frame ever, how many other players attained these same kind of numbers? (With obvious disregard to Main Event lucksacks)

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03-12-2010 , 09:16 PM

#109

jojoh07

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Originally Posted by 3hiGOOT?

Seriously don't bother, NVG tards dont like facts when it comes to PH , their hate clouds there judgement of the mans accomplishments.

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03-12-2010 , 09:23 PM

#110

Cursed Diamonds

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Originally Posted by jojoh07

Seriously don't bother, NVG tards dont like facts when it comes to PH , their hate clouds there judgement of the mans accomplishments.

Everyone knows Mike Johnson is an NVG tard, obv.

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03-12-2010 , 09:25 PM

#111

ezakuroy

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Originally Posted by techan12

No he did not adjust, you can't adjust in 1 day or 1 week.

The guy is playing as always, it was just variance. He can still crush any NLHE he plays

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Nice gimmick sir.

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03-12-2010 , 09:29 PM

#112

Mordan

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**** Helmuth goooooo Andy

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03-12-2010 , 09:32 PM

#113

ChrisCo

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2p2s own Andy Seth has so far been pushing hellmuth around, taken a couple pots away from him either pre flop or on the flop, up to 2.7

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03-12-2010 , 09:36 PM

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http://www.worldpokertour.com/Live_Updates/Live.aspx

WPT.com takes you to their Club WPT site.

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03-12-2010 , 09:38 PM

#115

ezakuroy

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Originally Posted by techan12

If Phil Hellmuth wins this, MANY PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO EAT THEIR WORDS AND SHUT THE **** UP FOR A VERY LONG PERIOD OF TIME.

How shameful would it be to be one of those guys who said Hellmuth was outdated, can't compete, etc etc. loool suck it

Lol Donkaments.

Nobody ever doubted his skill at donkaments. He'll always have a chance at donkaments when there are so many bad players around, because he knows how to read and beat bad players.

He's awful at playing genuinely good players though... Just see HSP this season to see how pathetic he truly is in the eyes of fellow pros.

His antics, behavior, and arrogance have also always been (and will continue to be, even if he wins this) absurdly ridiculous and laughable... That's where most of the ridicule comes from.

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03-12-2010 , 09:42 PM

#116

jojoh07

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Originally Posted by ezakuroy

Funny when Ivey was crushing wsop earlier no LOL donkaments posts , but now they appear everywhere , hypocricy is great isn't it ???

I love that haters are suffering

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03-12-2010 , 09:48 PM

#117

ChrisCo

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Prahlad is on the rail right in front of me and Phil notices him. Comes over to ask him about his win at the la poker classic I believe and when prahlad confirms he says "yeah I won that in 88" lol

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03-12-2010 , 09:49 PM

#118

ezakuroy

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Originally Posted by jojoh07

Funny when Ivey was crushing wsop earlier no LOL donkaments posts , but now they appear everywhere , hypocricy is great isn't it ???

I love that haters are suffering

Pretty sure people everyone understands that the ME is, indeed, a total donkament, even when Ivey makes the FT.

Suffering? I'd be happy for Phil if he takes this down. Will it make him any less of a hateable person? Of course not. As I said, the main reason that he's hated is because he's a total douche, not because he's a bad player.

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03-12-2010 , 09:55 PM

#119

CnB

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hellmuth is down to 750K by donking away his chips

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03-12-2010 , 09:58 PM

#120

novahunterpa

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Originally Posted by Kevmath

http://www.worldpokertour.com/Live_Updates/Live.aspx

WPT.com takes you to their Club WPT site.

Ty, this is better then the audio stream as you can't hear much

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03-12-2010 , 09:59 PM

#121

Ernie McCracken

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Ever notice that Hellmuth never gets much cred, but a lot of us quietly cheer for the guy? I think we can identify with someone who views himself as having a superior skillset, but goes on super mega tilt after a suckout.

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03-12-2010 , 10:06 PM

#122

wtk300

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Originally Posted by techan12

Welcome back andeyit

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03-12-2010 , 10:11 PM

#123

bigslick7878

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http://www.worldpokertour.com/Live_Updates/Live.aspx

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Seat 1. Hasan Habib - 435,000
Seat 2. Phil Hellmuth - 718,000
Seat 3. Andy Seth - 2,822,000
Seat 4. Matt Keikoan - 531,000
Seat 5. Mclean Karr - 1,254,000
Seat 6. Dan O'Brien - 904,000

Seth pwning fools.