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You can defend his skill all day. Yeah he is a good player. Most people don't hate on his skill, its his character in question. The guy is just a dork.A loud annoying one.

Yeah, but 90% of all pro poker players are dorks. I actually think Antonio E. is a bigger dork than Phil Hellmuth, just as an example.

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03-12-2010 , 04:17 PM

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Lego05

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Originally Posted by C4L

This is ****ing terrible play.

How can you possibly know that without knowing the stack sizes and anything about the other players. IMO it could be anywhere from really awful to fairly standard depending on the info we don't have.

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03-12-2010 , 04:17 PM

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Kylebranham

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Originally Posted by MitchL

In before you learn English or rational thought.

zing

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03-12-2010 , 04:17 PM

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one_sick_dude

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Hoping to see Helmuth losing the head...

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03-12-2010 , 04:19 PM

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Federal Agents

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Originally Posted by comesandgoes

why? Cuz u say so?

Maybe you missed the fact that the original raiser was relatively short stacked. Therefore, his 3 bet is much more likely to get called/pushed back. Add in the 3 callers before it's on Phil...I have to agree the 3bet here wasn't a very good play.

Still though, I love Phil Hellmuth lol

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03-12-2010 , 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by superlulz

Astonishing. 1 Week after he twitters about talkin with DN, saying that he now finally agrees he has to adapt to a new game, he final tables bay 101

Phil is also seeing the same life coach Sam Chauhan that Gavin Smith, Josh Arieh, and Antonio Esfandiari are seeing.

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03-12-2010 , 04:45 PM

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I hope he pulls one of those performances like he does on Poker After Dark where he folds down to 0.5 BB. The final table will go like this

Phil raises
Andy calls

*flop*
Phil bets
Andy calls

*turn*
Phil checks
Andy checks

*river*
Phil bets
Andy goes over the top
Phil gives a speech and folds

rinse and repeat

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03-12-2010 , 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Lego05

How can you possibly know that without knowing the stack sizes and anything about the other players. IMO it could be anywhere from really awful to fairly standard depending on the info we don't have.

Guy said he was short and he raised preflop. Please tell me how much fold equity you have when you're short and raise pf?

Obviously, if raiser was 30xbb deep and PH made the same play then its cool, but the pfr was prob like 20xbb if not less.

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03-12-2010 , 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Savage

Phil is also seeing the same life coach Sam Chauhan that Gavin Smith, Josh Arieh, and Antonio Esfandiari are seeing.

wtf is a life coach?

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03-12-2010 , 05:24 PM

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bentonja

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i'm rooting for phil

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03-12-2010 , 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ltc748

wtf is a life coach?

pretty self explanatory

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03-12-2010 , 06:03 PM

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VeeRob is looking to hijack a live feed and the audio will be me on the house mic

Find the Watch Live Video link at www.Bay101Live.com and join in the chat also as there is some pretty funny chatter going on and a few pros in there as well.

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03-12-2010 , 06:18 PM

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^^^^^^

Awesome, hope the hijacking of a live feed works, anxiously awaiting the phil blow up

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03-12-2010 , 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by techan12

he is the greatest NLHE tournament player to ever play the game according to the most objective parameter: the stats[/B].

Hellmuth can win any NLHE tournament he plays on, he did it for 20 years and he still does it.

Just to throw a little stats into the discussion. Phil Hellmuth has won exactly 2 poker tournaments(June 2007 and June of 2006) since May of 2003. 2 wins in nearly 7 years. 2 wins since Moneymaker won the main event. 2 wins since the rest of the world starting playing the game. He has no victories in almost 3 years.
http://www.pokerpages.com/player-pro...l-hellmuth.htm

I am not counting the NBC heads-up crapshoot as a tournament win.

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03-12-2010 , 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by prohornblower

Didn't Esfandiari bust Hellmuth at the Bay 101 FT in like 2004?

This was where Hellmuth had a black sweater on, stubble, and when Antonio won he did "the wave" and Hellmuth said "Show some respect and shake my hand buddy"

LOL. This was before Antonio was famous - this was his "1.4" score.

That was the Lucky Chances WPT event during season one.

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03-12-2010 , 06:39 PM

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Can't hate Phil he's 5 star entertainment both when winning and losing. Hope he takes it down. Ya Phil got owned on the new hsp but he is a tourny player not a cash player and obv ivey is gonna roast him lol

and why the hate for Phil he won a bracelet in 08 right?

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03-12-2010 , 06:39 PM

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Even though I really dislike Phil's attitude at the table sometimes, I'm pulling for him to win.

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03-12-2010 , 06:43 PM

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Glad Phil finally realizing he needs to adjust

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03-12-2010 , 06:57 PM

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He got a pretty lousy seat draw

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03-12-2010 , 07:49 PM

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stream should be up in about 10 mins right?

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03-12-2010 , 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by deesnuts

He got a pretty lousy seat draw

And since they went down to one table Seth has been running over Hellmuth and the entire table pretty much.

Terrible draw.

Phil swears he is going to have him drawing dead obv. "one of these times" LOL.

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03-12-2010 , 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Johnson

This is so annoying. How many people have won more than 2 major tournaments in this time frame? Why are we only counting wins (as if that's the only finish that measures success)? Convenient that we throw away another one of his wins. This is just silly.

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03-12-2010 , 08:13 PM

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Stream is up now.

However, they can't show the final table itself, but audio should be available.

Last edited by Kevmath; 03-12-2010 at 08:26 PM. Reason: audio probably will go in and out, be warned.

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03-12-2010 , 08:17 PM

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Psycho Boy Jack

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Originally Posted by Kevmath

Stream is up now.

Thanks

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03-12-2010 , 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AngerPush

What's really annoying is you completely distorting the argument. That post was made in response to the claim that Hellmuth is objectively the greatest player, as evidenced by the stats. I guess you win whatever debate you're engaged in.

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