millions before penies.

BTW, with all of this isildur talk has anyone noticed how much Gus has lost this year?!?!?!


Also, I don't know if anyone has pointed this out yet but since '07 on FT (according to HSDB) durrrr is only up $521,347.

You guys can lobby all you want about durrrr having a paded bank/life roll but I'd have to think that he's playing these games super underrolled.

In before busto

lol people judging skill by looking at winnings after few plo sessions in game which needs 1mln hands sample to say something about the win rate, btw even if hes worse than them in plo he's way better than PA in nl.
vs ivey its pretty unclear atm, they play only 1 table and fact that ivey is winning atm means nothing because its mostly short term variance (besides ivey sucked out on few big pots)
btw funny how ivey hit and runs everytime he gets raped in big pot or when hes being outplayed, always knew his tilt controll is overrated (imo also skill but w/e).

For 2009 so far, according to HSDB:

Gus Hansen -$5,381,627.93

durrrr -$5,204,301.35

...maybe they are competing to see who can lose the most? It's close...

Hansen vs Isildur? Wouldn't it be ironic if Hansen actual ran good in that HU.

Sure, let's neglect the fact that they've only been playing 500/1k with any frequency for about six months - that sounds good to me. Furthermore, I'd hardly compare the previous action at 500/1k to what's happening right now. Higher stakes means bigger swings, particularly when you're six tabling a maniac 200bb deep..

Gus is a bigger franchise than Dwan.

lolol
That IS tilt control. And one of the reasons he's the best unlike Durrrr who doesn't know when to quit.

durrrr is team full tilt member. he is set for life

as long as online poker exists (ftp), he will never go busto. look at gus. he is playing highstakes despite the fact that he is losing a ton.

It would be epic if Hansen busted Isildur1's roll with ridonkulous suckouts... "ups"

why is durrrr up 4,9 mill at PTR ?

Online is for them nowadays only part of the picture. I don't know if Gus plays a lot of cash, but Dwan, Ivey, etc. are usually in Bobby's room when they're in Vegas. Not to take shots at each others bankrolls but to give the rich businessmen a good time, let them play breakeven or slightly winning for an hour and then take their million dollar bankroll while saying 'you played well, you just got unlucky there'.

beacuse they only tracked plo for a while and no mxed games.

PTR only recently started tracking Omaha, where all of durrrr's losses come from.

Most of them, anyway... didn't Durrrr lose several million in NLHE to Isildur1?

Is this a level?

If you recall correctly, Tom started off the year with a $4mm downswing and the 500/1000 HA tables were always packed and the action was similar just without an unknown calling out any and every pro in his path. And even before Isildur1 showed up Tom was playing/running really bad against Ziigy and Ivey losing ~$1.5m in the weeks preceding Isil. I'm so sick of people saying that 100,000 hands is a small sample-size and that it takes years to ride out the "variance wave" to really determine their fate, so to speak.

I'm sure the other durrrr fanboys can attest (me being one of them) that Tom has been completely off his game for a while now and prior to this hiatus we've never seen 'bust' his FT account and now it's a daily thing. He's not playing his A game, nor B game and we're lucky if he shows up with his C game. And between pissing away $20k at a time at the 7-game tables it's just a matter of time until the hole is deep enough where even he can't dig himself out.

Yeah, yeah, yeah he can get staked and will always be around and is collecting dividends from FT but it's so obvious that this isn't the same fearful and feared Tom Dwan that was around even a year ago. Instead of him getting no HU action or booking a win consistently, he's not "the fish". As soon as he sits, the sharks come out to play and it usually results in him getting crushed with the same song and dance.

I have no idea why I felt so inclined to post this but I just feel like people are just assuming that this will all just turn around and he'll be "king" again. But I don't see it that way, even though I'm trying to.

/rant, I don't even know what the **** I just said

blasphemy

i mean emotional capabilities of handling swings, he has to quit after 1BI loss while others can still play their A game after losing 5+ buyins.
its sad that so called best player on world cant cope with that.

Oh yeah, that's true. I stand corrected.

I agree Jamie. It seems Tom's been getting bailed out by fishier players. Luckexpress, the arrival of Martonas and HU PLO sessions with Gus which Tom got the best of. But those money pools are now gone. There's no huge fish in the nosebleeds and it's just some of the most widely regarded best players in the world playing against each other. He's never been a strong PLO player (relative to the other regs) and 7 game is where the action's at and there's people who play them a lot better than Tom. So he either moves down to play smaller games which he can win at (but he won't - ego thing, got to be playing biggest games around etc.) or carry on trying to play catch up in whatever games the other regs choose and Isildur is the final option and the key to getting him back to even - but it's a lock he's been unable to crack.

In be4 2 mirrions

Why this thread has some many views?

yea i gotta agree that ivey quitting after -1 or -2 b's is a weakness

if i knew how to quit when i lost a little bit to keep myself from losing a lot, i would likely be in much better shape financially. bankroll management is an important element of being a successful poker player. ivey built himself up from what i understand to be fairly humble beginnings... so he's obviously found something that works for him. i don't think anybody on the rail has a right to criticize him for something that's proven so successful.

i know, its so annoying right. it's soo sick.