Women crying for equality actally have a even playing field with poker, complains about lack of women only features. Lol women.

Does any part of this post show that you read any part of the OP?

Look at just about any thread about a woman in poker and the dominant points of discussion will inevitably be: 1) Is she hot? 2) Is she fat? 3) Would you bang? 4) Elbows too pointy? 5) 1-10? 6) Real world or poker world hot?

I don't know if the guys who seem to think that poker does not have a boys club complex simply haven't seen what I have seen, or are delusional. Many times at the table I have seen or heard men making outrageous comments to women dealers, players, massage girls, waitresses, or even floor people. It is not always the most inviting environment for women at the table.

There aren't that many women in poker, but the ladies event draws in a pretty huge crowd at the WSOP every year. There clearly is interest from a lot of women who are discouraged from playing in open fields. This is a really good first step of bringing them into the game. It's not even about feminism, it's just good marketing.

As far as online ladies events go, that's just marketing, and it's pretty good as far as I can tell. My fiancee plays about an hour or two of poker a week for fun, but almost always plays the ladies event on Sunday. A big part of it is definitely the softness of the event, as she knows there won't be nearly as many pros in it (yes even amateurs care about how tough an event is). The novelty of a ladies event is important too though, she thinks it's cool, and so do most women I have talked to about ladies events.

Because why would there need to be one?

I could understand it when it comes to live. In the old days, women weren't welcomed at the poker tables. It was a man's game and a time where men could relax. Nowadays, it's a bit different but you still have those with the old school way of thinking.

Online though? You're in the comfort of your own home with no degrading, no harassment (outside the chat box), no fear of anything bad happening to you (outside of losing money).

That's why women's only online tournaments are a total joke. What's next? Tournaments for only 30+yo? Tournaments for people under lifetime earnings of $X? Tournament for people who only single-table?

Hm, maybe because if they aren't effective/popular they are just a pointless perpetuation of the archaic notion that women are somehow under-privileged and deserve special treatment?

ansky is spot on here.

Love to hear all the women's feelings on this topic.

Oh, what's that? Men outnumber women live by 30 to 1? And online by 100 to 1 or more? And we should care about catering to women?

We have bigger issues to deal with that poker sites caring about gender equality (LOL).

That notion is archaic? Are we living in a post sexist world?

Humans?

I agree with most of that, but I don't think that any of it is really a very compelling reason for a business to not treat people equally. I think that should be reserved for things more important than poker marketing.

For me, the encouragement of women entering the poker world isn't good. The unrealistic expectations of making a living or being a winning player is a farce. The only thing that most of them will endure is losses, hardship and frustration. So of course a poker boom is welcome by seasoned pros. I agree 100% with Daniel Colman's stance on poker.

ITP a misandrist bashes misogynists.

There is no such thing as a 'female issue'. There are issues, and both genders have a right to discuss and opine about all of them. Saying what you're saying is just the gender opposite of what you are attempting to defend against.

Honestly, this post is such backwards thinking that I'm wondering if you think that 4+4=2.

I think with men poker is already a very saturated market. Most men who like to play games will eventually try poker, gambling is a very macho oriented activity. With women it much more of an untapped market. It could be hard to get more women to play the game because it is such a man's world, so doing things like ladies events is a gradual step to bringing them into the game. Men are not persecuted by ladies events, they benefit from them.

People are under-privileged, not certain genders. If a woman is discriminated against purely because of her sex, then this is a bad thing, yes, and shouldn't happen. Measures that prevent this sort of thing happening are obviously a good thing.

However, This is not to say that all women are under-privileged and all of them need special treatment.

Giving umbrella-style, catch all, special treatment to women just because they are women is just as bad as being sexist itself.

I understand and agree. What I'm saying is that I don't care, because I think that treating people equally is much more important than the growth of poker.

am i the only one bothered by this? so men are stupid baboons who say mean things and therefor women have to have their own event where everyone is nice and civilized?

are you ****ing kidding me? so like... there needs to be a separate event because of how men behave? so all men are rude and all women are nice? cause if not then your argument doesn't make sense

but wait, what if there are men who are civilized and women who are raging baboonesses? what then?

"A big part of it is definitely the softness of the event, as she knows there won't be nearly as many pros in it"

The genesis of the open letter.

Ansky -

Nice posts ITT.

It's one event on Sunday. It's one event on the WSOP. It's not outrageous. There is never this level of complaining for throwing seniors or dealers a bone.
You really don't see it as a problem with the way this topic is being discussed? Whenever the topic of womens events is brought up on 2p2, 90%+ of the responses are male and a high number of them are misogynistic. This is not a good thing. And of course there are "Female issues." Stop being absurd.

I feel like the people who are agreeing with ansky's posts ITT are motivated by the want to make women feel nice as opposed to actually treating women equally.

As Fatal Error said,

In my blog, this is exactly my point.

I wrote this because I hope that PokerStars deciding to move the $9 million guarantee Sunday Million because of International Women's Day indicates a renewed focus on PokerStars Women.

And I hope that they decide to-- not just from the perspective of a woman that likes playing in ladies events, but also from the point of view of a poker player that wants to see more people playing and enjoying the game.

All in the first 30 posts. Gee I wonder why women feel like they aren't treated well in the poker world...

Why do you so vehemently against people that have empathy or you know, actually know female poker players closely? Ansky provided an anecdote of someone he actually knows who enjoys the game.

Very few if any of the posts in this thread are actually about hating women. You clearly hate men just based on the fact that you are very much exaggerating how misogynistic this thread is in order to vilify the men in it.

And no, there are not female issues. Again, there are issues, and both genders are free to discuss and form opinions on any of those issues. Claiming ownership to a certain issue and attempting to ban either gender from taking part in those issues or somehow claiming that input from a certain gender is inherently less valuable than input from the opposite gender is ignorant in itself - let alone while simultaneously attempting to preach for gender equality.

Hey swd, remember that scene in Tropic Thunder when RDJ chastises Ben Stiller? Never go full man. You went full.

I'll call your bluff for a list of white people killed by cops, because there isn't a full list as this data isn't readily available in any sort of database. So, let's see it. PM is fine as to not politard this thread.

BJ, have you ever been to bbv4life?
This topic is under a day and 50 posts old, if you don't think 2p2 has a lot of misogyny and sexism, you're just being delusional.

Something being a "Female issue" does not ban a man from talking about it. I have absolutely no idea where you get that idea from, but it is not helpful when a topic that is about a minority class has the discussion being 90%+ from people either completely or minimally effected by said issue.