Hi 2+2 community,

My account name is "Personal Atm" on Pokerstars. I used to be a regs at turbo dons (double up or nothing)50$ on Partypoker and changed onto Pokerstars officialy since february.
I changed because the traffic is higher on PS and easier to multi table(4-13 tables).

To give you an idea on how many hours I put into the game, I'm gonna put some stats
http://www.pokerprolabs.com/Personal...=1&w=240&h=180
Every falls is due to 88$ qualifier hyper turbos... and the rest is dons $50 and $100. I would be over 8000$ with only dons.

Now, I receive this email from Pokerstars:
Ok, routine check... This is already weird. Before receiving the email, they blocked my withdrawal privilege. I emailed them twice and the answers were both vague and they were asking to be patient and allow them to see what is going on. I received the email above 2 weeks later.

Here is my answer : Their answer :
Their last email was the 22th of may. They said "several days" and still no answer.
What do you think would happen, be relevant to say or to do in order to get my account back. I can't play anymore and this is my "job". So I can't get no money anymore.

I have gone through other threads with nearly the same problem and they were all banned with no proof... That is why I am worrying about that.

ATM!

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...-stars-791760/

I know but this is slightly different as they didn't ask me to explain my relationship with 20 people at least...

I know this is hard advice to take, but try not to worry about it. There's nothing you can do now but wait.

By the way, "I have gone through other threads with nearly the same problem and they were all banned with no proof" is not accurate. Stars aren't banning without what they consider proof. They just don't release that proof to the player, for obvious reasons.

In the meantime, if this is your job, why aren't you now playing at another site? You should always have contingency plans in place, and you should always keep your cash on deposit somewhere close to the minimum for your playing requirements (you may need 100 buy-ins in your BR to cover risk of ruin, but you should *not* keep it all online.)

Why has personal atms thread been moved in here? There are no links in Stars email with any of the names mentioned in the OP, and it's a recently opened investigation. Is he even Chinese?

Not even, I'm from Belgium and living in spain for my part studies. And Yes, I am playing on another site but it is really worse (sorry for the other site). Taht is why I'm putting that much of energy to get back to Pokerstars.

Personal ATM how do you manage to play 809 or your 2427 games on the site with flebotome if it's random? That is a third of your games over a 3-4 month period.

You have only played 71 games with me total in that period. Can you find any example of any other reg where you have played as many as 1/3 of your games with? It's not like flebotome is one of the high volume players, he's only got about 4000 games total on the site himself.

I'm guessing you've just breezed through this one then and since you're experiencing this not really paying attention. There are some serious stuff going on here, but you might actually mean a lot of other ones?? I remember you though. Always liked your SN I only have 17 tournaments with you in April/ may 2010. None where you're playing together with "flebotome" and you're a whopping 4/17 in those. Couldn't see from the HH's that you're softplaying with any of the others either. 17 is by no meaning a sample size to discuss and especially since this flebotome is not in them, but if you're not guilty good luck with your case.

On the plus side, even if some regs might be getting upsetting mails from PS these days, at least it looks like they are looking into some of the DONS collusion problems... Gotta take the +++ from everything. And if someone is guilty - burn!!

Their ROI together sucks tho so if they are trying to softplay for better profit they are doing a pretty horrible job at it, although it is very very possible to run massively under ev over a sample 800 SNGs.

god if folding Axs and TT to a raise is cheating, nits everywhere better watch out.

Would help to catch cheaters if Stars security understood how DoN works.
Those 2 hands are standard folds.

It's kind of tilting me to read those emails. If those are not falsified then lol. I had some donk just two nights ago report me, accusing me of chip dumping because I wouldn't call the short stack w/out a decent hand but kept putting the accuser all in when i was in SB and he was in BB (not a DON tho). I'm probably getting banned too.

EDIT: Not sticking up for anyone ITT. Cheaters should rot. Just sayin' those email hand histories are crazy standard plays I make daily.

Looks like PS has some idea on how their customers should play. If you dont according to their guidelines, you risk losing your account and get your funds seized

Just lol.

Misclick and fold AA vs a reg can get your account closed.

Eh, I hate to see this thread get hijacked because of those hand histories but I think PS security obviously has some issues too if those are how they came up with accusations of cheating.

Now I'm thinking back to the hands I've accidentally folded the last week or so while getting the hang of mass multi-tabling and using the xbox controller setup again. I remember for sure that I've folded 66, JJ, KK, timed out KK once, and I'm sure accidentally folded a bunch of other "playable" hands during the first week. I'd get behind and scroll through spamming fold so I could focus on tables close to the bubble and hit fold on those tables before I realized the hands I even had. Banhammer.

You don't think it's possible that 2 people play the same games and happen to grind similar hours without them being colluders?

Have you ever eaten a pulled pork sandwich in the morning, thats what its like

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i've no idea what you're talking about

I'm not saying they're not cheating btw,just that the fact they've played a lot of games together doesn't mean they are.

I am currently eating a pulled pork sandwich for breakfast at 10 AM...

I cant possibly seeing stars send this email. My prediction: atm altered the hand histories to look standard.

If not then I'm losing more and more faith in stars. But 33% of games played with one player = red flag.

I understand I was using an analogy


Say, what if those guys were in the wrong and could not be brought to justice?

There is almost zero chance that someone who plays 2400 games over a 3-4 month period plays 800 of those games with someone else that only has 4000 games on the site total simply by chance. They had to have made an effort to be in the same games together. It's already been said that OP knows the other player because he has staked him for sunday MTTs.

Ofcourse it's not against the rules to play with your friends in real money games. There has to be soft play involved. These players have worse results when they play together and the 2 hands posted arent enough evidence of softplay, infact the TT hand is totally justifiable, the ace rag bvb less so. Stars has all the hands though so they will be able to see if their overall strategy against each other involves playing softer against each other than they do against other players. Interesting how many times they bust each other on or near the bubble and what the hands are.

But why the hell play so many games with your friend, if you weren't planning to cheat? It raises red flags with stars and why have another good player taking up a seat that a fish could be filling?

I really don't think you need HH evidence with this type of history to shut these scammers down. One third of the games together should be a enough.

I think their ROI apart is so high cos of some MTTs. If you look at SNG only head to heads they do do better together (6%/-1% apart, 13%/9% together), although only over 680 so not conclusive.

~31% of ATMs SNGs and ~half of ATMs MTTs appear to be with flebotome.

Is this a coincidence? (not that there is automatically something wrong with playing a lot of games with someone)