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Ok guys,

Apparently this will be happening soon. Currently, many affiliates get 35%. This will make them get 30% total instead.

What happens then?

1) All sub-affiliates are cut out
2) No refer-a-friend
3) Rake races will be dramatically reduced
4) Prizes or bonuses on top of rakeback from affiliate will be reduced.


Basically, instead of getting 8% the affiliates get 3%. Sure, many say that its fair because affiliates don't deserve that much. But realize, FTP is only losing you money. You lose in rake races and everything else affiliates provide. The extra % from FTP is the thing keeping these races and such going. You will be stuck with a flat 27% and no incentives, so Pokerstars will be beating FTP's percents by much more than it already is.


Petition to stop them from doing this starts now.

Could this be a way for FTP to free up money for the new rewards system?

Not sure. I know that most affiliates don't make 3% total, because of rake races and everything else they offer. If they get cut to 3% tops, most will not be offering any incentives.

It is hard to imagine that this can be good for the players.

Yes

I would assume regardless you will be seeing less incentives.

Seeing as how FTP's rakeback % doesn't approach Stars yet, they could easily introduce a real rewards program without taking the 5%. Taking the 5% just pisses off everyone and leads to less incentive programs

not going to be shedding any tears for all those affiliates who have raked in money for the past x years, well see what happens w/ rakeraces/freerolls

Thats the problem. Most of them pay out a crapload in rake races and such. Most are only making 2-3% total because of sub affiliates and rake races.

The rake races and freerolls will be cancelled, is what will happen.

this x10000000000000000000

as long as i dont get to know my affiliate cause of some stupid privacy things why would i care all i know is i get no RB cause of some stinking backdoor affiliate.

Sorry, 8% for affiliates seems ridiculous, imo. Who cares about rake races and freerolls?

If Fulltilt is paying 5% less to affiliates that just gives them more room to improve their rewards system for players. Not saying they will, but it gives them more flexibility to do so.

I'm sorry for the hit to your business and everything, but I am just kind of disgusted to learn how much my rake provider has made off of me over the last several years.

lol@the affiliates crying about their freeroll on the online poker industry.

Seriously?

no kidding . . . the only reason i don't play at fulltilt is b/c I have an affiliate supposedly and can't get rakeback. I can't even find out who he or she is to contact them and I've never received a penny from this person/entity/banner I clicked on.

Just fyi --

I've pointed out quite a bit that they don't make the percent. They have staff to give you good support, payouts, and incentives. Instead, they will cut all this. You will instead get FTP support for things, and almost no support from your affiliates. If you think FTP is going to give you more for your money than affiliates, think about supply and demand. FTP and Stars have a stranglehold on the poker market. They don't have a bunch of competition willing to take 1% to make anything they can. Both FTP and Stars will continue making billions.

Its funny that people are mad at affiliates for giving good service, and incentives above what FTP normally allows. Instead they would rather have the money go to FTP, who has horrible service and is a huge billion dollar company who is going to give far less return for the %. This 5% will simply disappear from the poker economy.

This move will only lead to more of this behavior...

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Yeah man. F those affiliates! I hope FTP makes a million billion more dollars and doesn't give anything back to the players! That would be awesome!

So if we're already signed up, you still make the same percentage, right? If you're an affiliate, why not just cut out your bonuses/freerolls for your new signups and leave your bonuses for your long-time customers?

I understand that this is your lively hood thats being affected but you can't be blind to the fact that full tilt and affiliates have a bad rep here. I'm sure there are good affiliates who give back to their players but there are far to many of them that receive a lot of money to the detriment of the players.

I haven't played at Full Tilt for several years after being told I couldn't receive rake back because of a phantom affiliate. (never mind the fact that I signed up directly through FTP's site). I wish you the best of luck but I can't see you getting to much support unless it comes through other affiliates here.

Haven't done much in terms of customer acquisition have we.

To all these players who dont even know who are their affiliates and are stick with them with no 27% rakeback and that affiliate earning 8%........ya right good service and good staff, f....them

LOL@ u trying to say they spend 5% on rakeraces and such. They probably spend less then 1% on that. So sick that affiliates get 8% for basically hosting a website and answering a few e-mails. Like we give a **** if you lose 5%. Hopefully full tilt will build a better VIP system with this money and give it to the people who actually deserve it.

While it is unfortunate for people that have signed up through banner ads before knowing what rakeback is - people also don't realize that most of the banner ads you clicked on probably aren't rev share.

It's not like your $10,000+ MGR is actually being enjoyed. He probably got his/her CPA 2 years ago and hasn't seen a dime since.

Are they cutting the percentage on existing players or only on new players?

Either way. I'm betting that there are a ton more players even among those having rakeback that aren't getting anything extra from their affiliate.

You say they give good service. Mine have a web page where I can follow my rake/rake back a day or two late. They pay it out every Friday. It should all be automated and cost them next to nothing. There are no freerolls, no rake races. No nothing. How could it be worse for me if FTP spends (some of) those 5% on a new internal rewardsprogram?

I'm sure there are some affiliates that actually give back close to five percent. It's just some of their players that benefit from that though. Everybody who's not playing enough to place in rake races get nada.

Are there 25 affiliates that have a rake race with 10 players getting payed at any giving moment? I have no idea but even that seems a lot. That's 250 players getting something extra. Everyone else are giving of their money to those.

Of course FTP might give absolutely nothing back to the players from those 5% but the timing with the coming update to their rewards system makes it highly likely that at least some of that revenue will be spread among a lot more than a few hundred players that now benefit.

lol@ fail petition

i dont think your gonna get much support here

+1

rakeraces are for only a small amount of players ... i wouldnt be sad if they are gone