IF YOU PLAY ON THE CAKE NETWORK this is NOT a conspiracy... it is an open truth!


Not sure how many of you are playing on the cake network but i have come to the conclusion that more then half the active players at the 50nl/20nl/10nl full ring games are bots.

I became frustrated when i realized my full ring game had myself, 5 bots and 3humans.

heres are the facts.

they buy in for the min 20bb
they play AJ+ 77+, and "blind" shove flop
they all raise the same odd numerical bet ($2.07, $4.27ect)
if they get stacked they NEVER reload
if they win, they leave at the next bb
all the bots are from cities and california and arizona
they never chat and will never respond to conversation

today i complied a list of the the users i am 100% are bots based on the typical signs. THEY ALL PLAY IDENTICAL

waddyba
pinto
jdeppfan
conradcards
cakeuldate
foldur99
weedell
rawghotta
ultrayy
keubaz
golden99
jay
logical9
rawghotta
birdylog
icylick
townway
havitas
peppert
surfobx
bazzrazz
badknee
zotta25
buffysdad

im not sure if i should shoot an email to customer service because i actually think these bots are from the site to fill seats and increase the action. there is no way that these bots are actually pulling a profit because they basically calling stations. but the fact that they are all playing short kind of ruins the game IMO.

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Edit/MH: See also OP's later post including more "evidence".

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Wasn't there a thread dedicated to a site that actually had running bots filling up seats? If it was Cake Poker then this is old news, if not then lol at you, lol.

ok well tell that to one of the admins that insulted me in a PM saying i was crazy for bringing this up..

very dissapointed at the language used by a site representative towards my original post in the micro stakes forum.

i played 100k hands last month and the bots drove me crazy short stacking....

there are multiple at the same table and thell shove against each other.... i guess for the site the bots are negative ev playing but with the additional rake they end up taking money off tables

to actually post something useful...

do you have any sort of player statistics on these? when people found bots on full tilt, it was the fact that they all played with EXACTLY the same statistics that was the damning evidence

ok back to the topic...


well poker tracker doesnt work with cake but it is obvious.. just download the software and look for any of the players on the list from this thread.. they are always on... i think a better word for these stations are "cake fill ins" because they play negative EV but it helps to add liquidity to the game and the money gets raked eventuallly anyways

OTC sounds like an elitist and talks down to the rest of us here at the zoo.

Consider this.

Since teenagers are economic zeros and clearly none do anything with their lives, this would explain the constant play. They are clearly idiots, as they are teenagers, therefore they are playing off of hand charts.

Mystery solved. You've provided us a list of teenagers playing on Cake Poker. Forward it to Cake admin and have them banned for playing underage?

GG OP

maybe if "fossil man" comes here and says that he has played on the site an "ive seen it too" that will be all the evidence you need right?

im not trying to convince you or one way or the other.. its a fact there are fill in robots at cake ... even at 100nl. does it make the game unfair.. NO.. does it suck that they short stack and sometimes outnumber real players at the table... YES.... they are all the same.. one enters the game, gets stacked... and another one with a different name comes in and does the same thing. its a program to fill seats and increase the action... increase the rake

the first reply to this thread is a comment about how there was a discussion about fill in players already... LINK PLEASE.... is cake one of those poker sites? yes

im not blowing a whistle... like i said i dont care about the 2+2 culture of posting... the fact is that all the humans on cake know about the bots but dont care... if they have a calling hand they will call the shove.. if not then fold..

im just looking for any other cake players that happen to visit 2+2 and can comment on any observations about the bots...

Wow can we ban half the people in this thread?

OP post stats of players please.

OK, On Topic

Looking at your 'evidence'

A lot of people do that. They'd like to buy in for less but there is a minimum so they buy in for that.

A lot of people use charts or algorithms to determine which starting hands to play.

I don't play NL so can't comment.

But it's 'etc'. It stands for etc(etera).

Edit: Having had a little think about this; if I wrote a robot the last thing I would do would be to pick some weird bet size and then run multiple instances of the robot all using the same signature parameter.

As above but I believe this is just a rather unsportsmanlike method of stack management.

That actually includes one hell of a lot of people.

I can't be bothered to research it but I would guess that that includes well over half the population of the US.

Very sensible.

Neither do I.

And if you think I'm a robot I claim the Turing prize for my programmer.

I thought cake allowed you to import hands into PT post-session but not during play and not with a hud?

Regardless of whether you think they are exploitable or not or whether OP provides enough evidence a major site even having a hint of bots is a worthy thread and derailing it by lambasting the OP and posting stupid comments is stupid.

If you choose to troll these threads for your own personal entertainment you should be banned.

Fin.

case closed?

I agree with you, I've noticed the same thing.

if the admin had allowed this thread to be in micro-stakes full ring maybe we could actually get some player to back me up

But there will be multiple players (maybe 4 or 5) at your full ring table who, when it comes time for them to be first player to open the pot, will bet the same weird opening bet, as he indicated $1.74 or whatever, and each of these four or five players will open the pot with that amount, when it's their turn.

So I guess not everybody is as smart as you, because obviously, someone has done it.

and they all bought in for short stack and are from california and dont chat and play 24/7

So what are you? Animal, vegetable or mineral?
It's called a slider - it happens
Absolutely you should. In fact, I think you should've done that before posting here so you could have included their reply.
Why would they run bots to LOSE money? You say to "increase the action" ? They have another, better way of doing it. It's called "reducing the number of tables" - as in if they have 10 tables open of a particular game at a particular level/stake and there are only 8 players at one, 7 at another and 6 at two more then they lose 5 of the vacant tables so that new players are forced to sit at the tables that need players. I don't think they simply send more bots to fill seats.

Now, I'm not saying there's no chance these are bots. I'm saying that
a) your evidence is lacking - but I'd be interested in hearing more when you get it
b) possibly the reason your thread was locked and you were (allegedly) insulted for posting about this issue in the Micro Stakes Forum was simply because it wasn't the right place for discussing this.
c) I really don't believe these bots (if they are bots) are run by the site. And your belief that they are shouldn't sway you from emailing support anyway. Did you think men in a van would put a bag over your head and snatch you away for cracking the case? Personally, I think that Cake would be very interested in getting rid of bots, as they are very serious about no PokerTracker or other similar software. I believe they would show the same zero-tolerance enthusiasm in this situation.
And finally
lol, Number of Posts to Show Per Page. Profile --> Options.

OTC, I supported you right to post this thread and get some sensible comments.

I have provided you with a list of reasons why a lot of players would exhibit the characteristics you describe.

Particularly that a hell of a lot of people don't chat. It can be very distracting and a lot of people simply don't want to be social.

I note that you have now changed your catchment 'area' from 'California, Arizona and cities' to 'California'. Which is correct?

If there were enough other linking attributes the latter might be suspicious whereas the former certainly isn't, especially for such a small sample.


Edit: I notice that you have now edited your post to say all these players play 24/7.

That, if correct, is probably more indicative of robot play than anything else. (Unless someone knows of an innocent explanation of which I am unaware?)

OP has posted a list of usernames and little evidence. That is bad.
He has then accused Cake of running their own bots with no evidence. That is bad.
He is frustrated by these 'bots'. That is bad.
I do not play at Cake fwiw. But the OP is poor and should be deleted imo. No problems with 'Bots at Cake?' type threads but the 'Bots at Cake! Cake is running them! 2+2 conspiracy to conceal the truth! These 24 usernames are all definitely bots and everyone should hate them! Please save my games from short buyins!' (which is how the OP reads to me) are awful.
ymmv

OP

1 Do not post in such a hysterical tone
2 If you have any actual evidence include it in your op
3 Don't out usernames without more evidence than you presented in your OP
4 Don't accuse the pokersite of running bots with no evidence whatsoever
5 The point that shortstackers are ruining your game quality is of little relevance

yw

I've moved all the trolls' posts and o/t posts to their own thread.

Any further such posts in this thread are liable to be deleted rather than moved.

i want to first apologize that the "OP" is not so articulated

im not sure if you are familiar but the cake network is very small, RIGHT NOW..there are 10 tables of 20nl running right now so that is 90 seats but far less actual players, many are multitabling. of those 90 seats I claim 22 are bots, the bots multitable too.

im only talking about 20nl there are more/different names at 50nl/10nl/4nl

these 22 players right now that exhibit the suspicious characteristics are from cities in California and Arizona..

the state isnt listed but im assuming (oakland, long beach, santa anna, carlsbad, los gatos, la jolla, tuscon, phoenix...) are in california and arizona.

since i started running on cake a few months ago people always made comments like "damn bots"..."i killed the bot!" and i didnt believe it untill another player showed me the signs and what to look for. all the regulars know about the bots... its no secret.

my leap of faith is that no other player outside the area plays the same mechanical way and no person plays 24 hours a day. all the bots are on all day and night.

the reason im not writting support an email is because i have too much money held as rakeback and i would rather remain anonymous

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One of the funniest statements I've ever read muaaahahahaha...........

Do you think that the statement 'all the bots are from cities and california and arizona' deserves any respect, it just made lol, pipe down aggro boy.

It says "all THE bots are from cities and california and arizona" but OP is correct about this:
I agree it's suspicious. However, I still don't think that Cake is in on it. Nor do I think any 2+2 mods are in on "The Cake Bot Conspiracy" - which it will henceforth be know as.

GarbageMan - did you like the show "Yes, Dear" also?