If it was a $20/$40 table, then I suppose that's a significant issue.

I see your English skills have picked up. Congratulations.

My past experience in Stars' stud w/ multiple guyz from Fuzhou/Changle
is quite similar to others' experiences ITT.
I've brought it up in LC a few times a year or so back.
Since draw was introduced to FTP a few month back, I neither have the inclination or the roll to go after these guyz anymore.

But I learned my Stud in Cali, so I CAN PLAY DAMN NEAR AS LOOSE AS THEY DO.
[NOTE:this can be dangerous as all f*** 2 ur roll. be careful!]

I just always sat to their left when I could, and assumed they had a Durrrr-wide range,
even when they're running squeezies.[they do!]

There were always more beatable/profitable games there. I hadta be in the mood.


I'm convinced I've seen a few jack-it-up scenarios like Joe Tall described in stud hi ITT.

Caution: PROVING COLLUSION IN STUD/8 IS A BASTARD, ESP. FOR STD. SQUEEZE PLAYS.
Pulling up suspect HH's for stud hi and razz will prove out collusion much easier.
[yes, a couple of them have moved to razz on Stars as well. not many, tho.]

no conspicuous play, no collusion:

Poker Stars $2/$4 Limit Stud Hi/Lo $0.25 Ante - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

3rd Street: (0.75 SB)
PokerJ2006: xx xx J____PokerJ2006 folds
haberlein: xx xx Q____haberlein folds
Biertank: xx xx A____Biertank completes
nixwix: xx xx 9____nixwix folds
carly2711: xx xx 5____carly2711 calls
F### Forever: xx xx 4____F### Forever brings in for $1____F### Forever calls

4th Street: (3.75 SB) (3 players)
Biertank: xx xx A Q____Biertank checks
carly2711: xx xx 5 3____carly2711 checks
F### Forever: xx xx 4 T____F### Forever checks

5th Street: (1.875 BB) (3 players)
Biertank: xx xx A Q 8____Biertank checks
carly2711: xx xx 5 3 T____carly2711 checks
F### Forever: xx xx 4 T J____F### Forever checks

6th Street: (1.875 BB) (3 players)
Biertank: xx xx A Q 8 T____Biertank checks
carly2711: xx xx 5 3 T 7____carly2711 checks
F### Forever: xx xx 4 T J K____F### Forever checks

7th Street: (1.875 BB) (3 players)
Biertank: xx xx A Q 8 T xx____Biertank checks
carly2711: xx xx 5 3 T 7 xx____carly2711 checks
F### Forever: xx xx 4 T J K xx____F### Forever checks

Final Pot: 1.875 BB
Biertank shows 9 5 A Q 8 T 7 (HI: high card Ace)
carly2711 shows Q 4 5 3 T 7 7 (HI: a pair of Sevens)
F### Forever mucks 4 T J K
carly2711 wins 1.875 BB

3 netherlands at table....

At least the "Nengals" are passive colluders.

F### Forever is a 2p2'er, Biertanks steal isn't bad, the only whose play is wtf is carly who might have misclicked or is just bad. Either way I wouldn't be worried about this type of collusion.

For the most part I think there is no collusion on stars at least not at 5/T+, the only people who could be colluding are the eastern europeans.

hey! that's me!

An email I sent stars today. I ENCOURAGE all of you to send them an email regarding this issue



Dear Support,
I have been playing at poker stars for over 3-4 years now. My main game has been the stud games, specifically Stud Hi 5/10-100/200 limits. I have sent emails about this before and I haven't received what I believe to be any real concern on the matter.
What I am writing about is the players from Fuzhou, Changle, and other smaller areas within their vicinity. Just to name a few, Kissyao, unlimited, hopefi22, angel77-pk, woetfh77, and all the new random players that sit at 30/60+ with no prior history on the site. Before these players were forced to play at separate tables (which I would like to also have some explanation on) I played with these players day in and day out. I played with them three handed and had a very bad feeling that something fishy was in fact going on. Their play style was very aggressive when I was in the pot, often capping every hand. I've sent numerous hands to support about this and they simply stated it was just aggressive play. I have lost a signifigant amount of money to these players, and believe that I was wronged. I am not someone to point fingers at lightly either. I am a prominent stud player in the poker community (a big member of twoplustwo, a poker coach at deucescracked.com, and professional poker player for over 5 years) I would very much appreciate any help that I can get on this matter, as many others have experienced the same thing I have and are starting to voice their issues on the twoplustwo community message boards as well as other prominent message boards. There are many threads regarding this matter, I am not the only one.
Here is the most recent thread on the topic, and definitely not the shortest one. http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/20...hem-up-967693/ Within this thread are explanations of their collusion strategies, and many HH to prove it. Here Joe Tall, a moderator at twoplustwo explains how they do it. http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...1&postcount=22

What happened to me individually was unfortunate, as I played the highest stakes of stud and feel like I was left to fend for myself after playing these suspected colluding players. Again I would greatly appreciate it if someone could really take a stand on this matter on behalf of pokerstars, and really help us out and also explain why the Fuzhou players now have to sit at separate tables and other countries do not.

Sincerely,
Christopher George
(Ceegee87)

I hope Stars will do the right thing nearly.

Thx ceegee

Everytime I go on stars I just see Chinese players playing stud hi... I guess it's really big there? Anybody know about this? And they sit at like 15 tables by themselves.

Search is your friend, this comes up all the damn time.

Lock this up and throw away the key if this thread is inappropriate:

I've been playing some stud for the first time in my internet poker career (6yrs) and I find it odd that 10 different chinese players are sitting alone at 10 different stud tables waiting for action? Are the chinese culturally predisposed to heads up stud? Are these possibly some sort of bots built for shorthanded stud? I rarely see chinese players at the full tables.

I'm playing 1/2 on Stars.

this has been discussed ad nauseum...do a quick search for what you are looking for

FWIW I have been boycotting Stars stud 8 for almost a month now

stud 8 games are not nearly as bad as the stud hi. Because of the split pot nature of the game, it prevents them to collude efficiently.

I was referencing black Friday sarcastically... it's not really a voluntary boycott...

It looks like it also happens on ftp in razz now.

I have seen a strange play today at a 5/10 with a guy capping his J (I had an 8 and were facing an A and 3). I noticed during the hand that my 3 opponents were all from russia and so insta sit out the next hand.

I don't have the hand history here but it was definitely looking like collusion.

I had something similar on stars yesterday ..doesnt need to be collusion necessarily but i am definitely more alert if i am sitting with 3-4 unknown new russian players.

Player winforever, 2 days ago hes from Cina, now hes from Australia


http://de.pokerstrategy.com/forum/th...readid=1001355

bump because stars wants to help us. Help us here.

Its really getting absurd.Like everyday there is a new account from china.
While most of them play identic styles i did find some extreme similarities in a few of them.
This is definitely multiaccounting or sharing to confuse players .Stars should be able to
review if multiple accounts get logged in from the same pc .
Its tough if you play multiple hours with the same opponent and few minutes later he loggs on with different account .

ferth22 = hopefi22

He is so dummy ... same stats, same style, same night at the same tables and same seat with these 2 account. One disconnect and the other seat at all 6 tables, 6 same seats.

I don't care about the rest, because I cashout everything and quit poker. Wtf at all those suckouts and continue brick brick brci.

Adios PokerStars ... oh no, maybe I let 10$ to play 0,01/0,02

From 10th November there seems to be a change in Pokerstars policy, they're now allowing 2 chinese players to sit at the same Stud table :/

joke

They change this policy for DoN too?

Seriously?