Yeah I did misread. Just been curious about the 1/3 sizing and it's something I've looked into a fair bit recently. Still haven't really used it in my own game though.

You might get a kick out of Negreanu's mystified analysis of the All Stars hands. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqkx4ESG1W0
It would appear that less than quarter pot is the new third of pot. A fairly good example comes up at 7m, where the 3-bettor has 76s (but could have had a big overpair) on 762. By c-betting super small, he gets floated by AT high, which is virtually drawing dead.

I'm gonna start min cbetting so I can claim I was leading the way when the HS players eventually switch to it at some point down the line.

lol, yeah wouldn't surprise me if that happens. That way we can work in some minbet "misclick" leveling wars

Dnegs views are fun to read/listen these days. I remember back in the days I was a fan of him and his "put villain on exactly one specific hand and be right" spots


vs recreational, with one psb left otr I think we have to call turn and jam rivers when hit, plenty of outs and implied odds should be enough to make turn +EV.

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players

BTN: 127.7 BB (VPIP: 27.05, PFR: 18.85, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 125)
SB: 103.96 BB (VPIP: 18.97, PFR: 14.18, 3Bet Preflop: 4.48, Hands: 534)
BB: 109.3 BB (VPIP: 25.98, PFR: 18.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 131)
UTG: 94.3 BB (VPIP: 34.48, PFR: 6.90, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 29)
Hero (MP): 100 BB
CO: 167.68 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A T

fold, Hero raises to 2.2 BB, CO calls 2.2 BB, BTN calls 2.2 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (8.1 BB, 3 players) 7 8 J
Hero bets 3.38 BB, CO calls 3.38 BB, fold

Turn: (14.86 BB, 2 players) K
Hero bets 11.86 BB, CO raises to 27 BB, Hero calls 15.14 BB

River: (68.86 BB, 2 players) 4
Hero checks, CO bets 27 BB, fold



vs whale, wouldn't expect him to check back flop with this hand with his aggro postflop stats, but ok. Happy with turn/river line.

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players

BTN: 168.24 BB (VPIP: 42.17, PFR: 25.10, 3Bet Preflop: 6.93, Hands: 1,235)
SB: 173.5 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
BB: 318.64 BB (VPIP: 26.22, PFR: 19.51, 3Bet Preflop: 9.63, Hands: 339)
UTG: 108.06 BB (VPIP: 29.11, PFR: 22.36, 3Bet Preflop: 14.56, Hands: 245)
Hero (MP): 145.4 BB
CO: 156.6 BB (VPIP: 21.24, PFR: 17.26, 3Bet Preflop: 8.60, Hands: 1,708)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q Q

fold, Hero raises to 2.2 BB, fold, BTN calls 2.2 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (5.9 BB, 2 players) 7 5 2
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: (5.9 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero bets 3.58 BB, BTN raises to 10 BB, Hero calls 6.42 BB

River: (25.9 BB, 2 players) A
Hero checks, BTN bets 24 BB, Hero calls 24 BB




So this was pretty fun otr, 3bettor is a big nit and BB rec. 3bettor has 100% Ax here but shouldn't be calling a jam, so decided a flat is best otr (I have 49bb behind after calling) as you never know with recs, could have 76 or boats although unlikely, but he also has some 6x that splits?

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players

BTN: 130.28 BB (VPIP: 22.85, PFR: 19.18, 3Bet Preflop: 7.36, Hands: 3,729)
SB: 79.7 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
BB: 173.46 BB (VPIP: 21.43, PFR: 10.71, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
UTG: 123.02 BB (VPIP: 26.86, PFR: 20.49, 3Bet Preflop: 7.44, Hands: 291)
Hero (MP): 112.32 BB
CO: 126.26 BB (VPIP: 19.59, PFR: 12.84, 3Bet Preflop: 6.35, Hands: 150)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 5 6

fold, Hero raises to 2.2 BB, CO raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 8 BB, Hero calls 6.8 BB

Flop: (27.5 BB, 3 players) 4 5 2
BB checks, Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: (27.5 BB, 3 players) 3
BB bets 17 BB, Hero calls 17 BB, CO calls 17 BB

River: (78.5 BB, 3 players) 4
BB bets 37.3 BB, Hero calls 37.3 BB, CO calls 37.3 BB

from what I hear, cbetting at 500z is becoming less frequent. apparently some top regs aren't cbetting ridic amounts anymore, and instead checking a bit more :O. I could be wrong though...

AT - I think checking range plays well here, and if I decided to bet then I would size up a lot more, prob around 5.5-6

56 - RAISEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, NLHE 6m is in an interesting development these days with lots of stuff that wouldn't happen even a couple years back, certainly funny times to follow the higher stakes.

AT, hmm I like cbetting this hand as we can turn more equity on a lot of cards, hitting straight/TP or backdoors. About sizing, I would cbet in the 5.5bb region before, but lately I've been experimenting with some smaller sizings multiway OOP on flops, my reasons might be wrong though so appreciate your input.

65, do you think it's that clear? I mean, it's obv that CO has Ax so by jamming we're pushing him out of the pot, while as if best case scenario BB has Ax 100% of the time (which he won't?) we're only losing 12bb in EV by jamming vs flatting.

Decided to move some of my BR to Party, will be interesting to see the development in player pools with RB changes at Party/Stars. Also heard they are planning on adding in NL50 fastforward which should suit me well. Until that happens I'll play NL25 Party and NL50 Stars.


River inducaments, I'd cbet flop more often than not but decided to mix it up.

partypoker - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players

BTN: 162.44 BB (VPIP: 28.05, PFR: 24.39, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 85)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
BB: 178.16 BB (VPIP: 25.49, PFR: 15.69, 3Bet Preflop: 4.26, Hands: 102)
Hero (UTG): 159.44 BB
MP: 117.64 BB (VPIP: 23.23, PFR: 18.69, 3Bet Preflop: 6.90, Hands: 206)
CO: 387.72 BB (VPIP: 20.37, PFR: 15.43, 3Bet Preflop: 9.38, Hands: 164)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A A

Hero raises to 2.2 BB, fold, CO calls 2.2 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 1.2 BB

Flop: (7 BB, 3 players) T J 8
BB checks, Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: (7 BB, 3 players) 2
BB bets 5.6 BB, Hero calls 5.6 BB, fold

River: (18.2 BB, 2 players) 8
BB checks, Hero bets 5.88 BB, BB raises to 25.64 BB, Hero calls 19.76 BB



Unknowns first hand, so don't know about this one, can't be too bad?

partypoker - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players

BTN: 99 BB
Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 123.92 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
UTG: 115.28 BB (VPIP: 62.50, PFR: 62.50, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 8)
MP: 102.56 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
CO: 103 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 5 6

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.4 BB, Hero raises to 9.84 BB, fold, BTN calls 7.44 BB

Flop: (20.68 BB, 2 players) Q K 2
Hero bets 8.64 BB, BTN calls 8.64 BB

Turn: (37.96 BB, 2 players) A
Hero bets 23.08 BB, BTN calls 23.08 BB

River: (84.12 BB, 2 players) K
Hero bets 58.44 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 57.44 BB and is all-in



Clicking them buttons. Interesting runout, don't see NL25 population make these moves often so should get folds.

partypoker - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players

BTN: 130.6 BB (VPIP: 23.81, PFR: 19.05, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, Hands: 64)
Hero (SB): 104.6 BB
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 31.58, PFR: 23.68, 3Bet Preflop: 4.65, Hands: 117)
UTG: 111.32 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 17.31, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 52)
MP: 100.04 BB (VPIP: 11.81, PFR: 7.87, 3Bet Preflop: 1.69, Hands: 134)
CO: 99 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 8.89, 3Bet Preflop: 8.70, Hands: 45)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 7 9

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.4 BB, BB raises to 7.2 BB, Hero calls 4.8 BB

Flop: (14.4 BB, 2 players) J 5 6
Hero checks, BB bets 7.52 BB, Hero raises to 21.72 BB, BB calls 14.2 BB

Turn: (57.84 BB, 2 players) 5
Hero bets 18.68 BB, BB calls 18.68 BB

River: (95.2 BB, 2 players) A
Hero bets 57 BB and is all-in, fold

Good to see this update mate, good luck on Party.
H1: I rather bet this flop vs 2 players to get value. They have to play a little more honest because it's 3way.
H2: I don't like the river jam. Just one of the worst rivercards and don't see him folding many combo's.
H3: I don't like the flop raise. I doubt you would raise any hand for value here, so we're just not repping much. As played turn sizing is cool and river seems mandatory.

Good luck and we might clash again on Stars soon!

Hand 1 - Very well played.

Hand 2 - Fine in theory, the occasional dd sc's are your bluffs basically. He could be short on bdfd Ax wheel floats and thus end up having too few folds though. Those and J9dd/T9dd are your main targets. So somewhat likely an explo give up. More of a narrow range type spot than it can seem at first glance.

Hand 3 - Fine raise if he cbets the correct amount, which he will not. If he thinks he can bet range it's a mandatory raise, mandatory barrel but river should be check/folded. You block his folding range and will do much better jamming bdfd/bdsd broadways which should be plentiful in your range against his likely strategy.

Hey mate, thanks! How are you doing at the tables this year? I almost bumped your thread the other day

H1: As said I'm mixing it up, think if I'm last to act it's a clearer bet, but it's nice for our range to have some overpairs to xc or play further streets.
H2: These were my thoughts as well immediately after I posted the hand here and took another look at it Agreed.
H3: Yeah I know, flop might be questionable and obv not repping much (especially when turn pairs), but I think flopping this texture after calling a 3b OOP w 97s we have to raise and barrel off good runouts. I think from an exploitative view it's fine. Turn+river seems pretty std when those cards fall.

H1: Thanks.
H2: Yeah, explo giving up on this runout seems reasonable. Prob hurts our fold equity a little bit more that villain was a recreational and unknown stats.
H3: Not sure he has much 87s/98s in this spot otr tbh, I think Jx plus QQ+ are much more frequent, 4% 3b and iirc he 3b really quick which I view as a strong range. So Ace river shouldn't be a nice card for the range I gave him.

Appreciate the comments, thanks!

Enjoy playing at Party so far, it's a bit reg (or bot?) infested at times, but should be fine and it's nice to change it up a bit. Plus the software is definitely playable especially with PartyCaption assisting. Their fastforward (zoom) games are very fast paced though, I'm avg 481 hands/hour 2-tabling, not sure about Stars numbers but pretty sure it's way lower.




Almost got through, but he called last second.

partypoker - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 20.29, PFR: 17.39, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 72)
Hero (SB): 103.32 BB
BB: 107.68 BB (VPIP: 14.81, PFR: 14.81, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 28)
UTG: 164.24 BB (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 20)
CO: 129.04 BB (VPIP: 16.44, PFR: 13.70, 3Bet Preflop: 6.45, Hands: 74)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q K

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.4 BB, BB raises to 8.8 BB, Hero calls 6.4 BB

Flop: (17.6 BB, 2 players) 9 4 3
Hero checks, BB bets 8.36 BB, Hero calls 8.36 BB

Turn: (34.32 BB, 2 players) 8
Hero checks, BB bets 16.32 BB, Hero raises to 86.16 BB and is all-in, BB calls 69.84 BB

River: (206.64 BB, 2 players) J




Not sure about pre, prob a bit too lose? Postflop was nice though!

partypoker - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players

BTN: 145 BB (VPIP: 31.25, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
UTG: 150.76 BB (VPIP: 17.65, PFR: 14.71, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 35)
MP: 274.68 BB (VPIP: 34.88, PFR: 30.23, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 43)
CO: 50.56 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J 9

fold, fold, CO calls 1 BB, fold, Hero raises to 3.4 BB, BB raises to 12 BB, fold, Hero calls 8.6 BB

Flop: (25 BB, 2 players) 2 8 A
Hero checks, BB checks

Turn: (25 BB, 2 players) T
Hero checks, BB bets 9.2 BB, Hero raises to 31.96 BB, BB calls 22.76 BB

River: (88.92 BB, 2 players) 5
Hero bets 56.04 BB and is all-in, BB calls 56.04 BB and is all-in




Close eyes and jam spot, funny outcome

partypoker - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players

BTN: 159.08 BB (VPIP: 46.15, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 13)
SB: 117.28 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 16)
Hero (BB): 104.24 BB
UTG: 97.48 BB (VPIP: 28.00, PFR: 24.00, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 26)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
CO: 46.44 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 49)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A Q

fold, MP raises to 2.4 BB, fold, BTN raises to 3.8 BB, fold, Hero raises to 10.84 BB, fold, BTN calls 7.04 BB

Flop: (24.48 BB, 2 players) Q 6 A
Hero bets 10.24 BB, BTN calls 10.24 BB

Turn: (44.96 BB, 2 players) 4
Hero bets 27.36 BB, BTN calls 27.36 BB

River: (99.68 BB, 2 players) J
Hero bets 55.8 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 55.8 BB

I'm a little confused. Your first thread was a post asking for advice on an nl25 hand in March 2012. 5 years later, you are still playing nl25.

As for hands,

H1: Fold pre. As played, call turn.
H2: Fold pre. As played, post flop is fine.
H3: Cold 4 betting with only 13 hands is too risky. As played, post flop is fine.

I'm a little confused by your confusion.

J9s opens in SB seems fine to me

dude...

+ if you are folding H1 pre-flop I don't think you play higher yourself..

I am confused for 2 reasons. One, why has he not moved up after 5+ years? Two, why is he playing on a site which is widely known to be bot-infested?

I admit I did rush that hand advice. Looking back, a call is okay with KQ suited. J9 suited is certainly a fold. You shouldn't get into the habit of calling weak hands out of position to 3bets. You will burn money over the long run.

Oh I see...

1) because poker is hard
2) what site isn't? Do they also now offer up to 40% rakeback with promises of future improvements

Re the fold pre comment for hand one. Front runner for the worst advice I've ever seen on this forum.

1) Yes I get that, but 5+ years and still stuck in micros? Either find a very good coach who can fix your leaks asap. Or quit poker and move onto something more productive in life.

2) At least play on a site which takes bot security seriously. No amount of rakeback will help you beat a winning non-human player who never tilts.

See my comment above regarding hand advice.

I'm not going to speak for OP regarding their level of play or reasoning. Calling them out like that is a d*ck move though.

Can you name this site?
Doesn't matter, poker dead, all bots are solid.

Your above comment is 50% backtracking and 50% nonsense.

Alright, and if you'd know the whole story, you'd know I played much more hands at 6max NL50 and NL100 than NL25 in the last couple of years, also had some failed shots at NL200 which set me back. You'd also know I withdrew large portions of BR, went trough some swings and have mental game issues that I'm working on getting better at. I've never claimed to be great at poker or that I can beat NL200+, but you'd also have to understand that games have changed a lot from 5 years back.

Also, if you'd only read a couple lines up you'd see this:
As for your comments on those hands,

H1 is definitely not a fold pre imo, and what's your plan on rivers being OOP with ~1 PSB left after we xc turn w K hi?
H2 is prob close pre, but people seem to think it's ok.
H3 I'll ask you this, what's better? Calling 3way having the worst relative postiion to the min3bettor (ie. both us and the other reg checks, 3bettor cbets and then we have to worry about reg behind us) OR 4betting to get HU with a player that we almost certainly has a big postflop edge on?

Oh, and I'm mixing in Party now cus I believe in what they are trying to do going forward and hope they'll succeed, plus as I said before I think it's better for me to play in pools that are smaller to get a quicker sample on other regs.

h2 i'd pry just fold pre

Reasoning:

We're isoing a fish so we're actually likely tighter than our standard RFI range from SB. I don't know what % we're isoing here but it's likely something like 15-20% of hands since you pry complete some stuff rather than iso. BB sqz is quite large to 12, so he is risking 11 to win a pot of 12 + 3.4 + 1 = 16.4; meaning both you and the fish need to both fold ~2/3 of the time here to auto profit. Given he has to go through two people and we're OOP in the SB we should be defending right around 1-a and not more imo. Can also argue he may not be that wide himself either increasing our ability to over fold. This ends up with us needing to defend something like 6-7% of hands (maybe even less) and imo a dece % of this defense should be with 4bing since sizing is big.

H3 I'm probably calling pre

H1 is not even remotely close to a fold and shows some very very big issues in anyone's game recommending to fold

I was interested to know why he was playing nl25. He has clarified it below. Nothing ****ish about that, I was only asking.

I am a realist and I know that no site is 100% bot free. It's simply impossible for security to catch every single bot. However, some sites take bot security more seriously than others. On Pokerstars, you are a lot less likely to be playing against a bot than Party or iPoker or Microgaming. That is a fact. I don't know about you, but I want to play against real humans, not machines.

Your sarcastic comment about all bots being solid shows how naive you are on this subject. Bots don't necessarily need to be amazing, they just need to lose less than the rake. Most bots are rakeback grinders at low stakes. If you sit at a table with 5 other bots who are -2bb/100, you can't win. And believe me, there are plenty of them on these networks.

If you would like to debate this subject like mature adults, I am more than happy to do that. For now, I will direct you to this thread http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...r-wpn-1619689/ Read that, it might open your eyes up to this issue.

Thank you for clarifying. If you had tough time with swings, set aside a bigger bankroll. 100 buy ins, even 200. Were you a long term winning player at nl50 and nl100?

Cool story..

Thanks for putting it down like that, iso/folding makes some sense as well, but I wouldn't say his 3b size is overly large? As for my rfi/iso ranges I'm prob playing a bit too loose in 6max esp from BTN and SB, it takes some time adjusting my brain back from HU to 6m.

re bot situation - indeed, it clearly sucks when there are bots in our games, it doesn't matter how bad/good they are as they take money from the recreationals. Also agree that Stars is currently the best at bot security, but I want to give Party a chance since they seem to wanna do some things 'right' again for the community. Let's hope they can improve in that area going forward.

I'm prob one of the biggest BR nits out there already, which is a defect in mental game and at the end of the day hurts my hourly. But I'm working on it, day by day.

Haven't had the greatest WRs at 6max lately, think I'm like 2-3 bb/100 over a big sample, plus roughly the same amounts in rakeback. I did better back when playing at FTP up until they closed up shop/migrated w Stars player pool, but then again I think 'every' reg won at a better rate before, sadly.