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Nash in "Double Your Money" games Nash in "Double Your Money" games

02-14-2017 , 10:42 PM
Hi, I'm struggling a bit with some Nash calculations while thinking about the "Double Or Nothing" style games where top 3 get paid double their entry fee in a six max game.

I've entered the games into ICMizer + Holdemresources but the results are pretty non intuitive and suggest shoving at any opportunity despite still being relatively deep and only calling with the absolute Premiums.

For example : HoldemResources Nash Results
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02-15-2017 , 06:22 AM
seems intuitive to me
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02-15-2017 , 08:04 AM
Is 10bb "relatively deep"?

The ICM pressure is huge when everyone has the same stack size on the bubble in a game where everyone gets paid the same (e.g. a satellite or DoN). To quote an illustrative example from satty boss Dara' O Kearney:

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"To take a simple example, if there are ten left in a satellite that awards 9 equal prizes, and stacks are equal, then you need 90% equity against the shoving range to call (since if you fold, you have a 90% chance of a prize). This leads to the often talked about hypothetical situation where aces becomes a fold, since even against a range of any two cards, aces only has 85% equity. This in turn means that if everyone is playing optimally, UTG will shove every hand (since nobody can call), and everyone else will fold without looking at their cards. This would continue until such a time as the blinds rise to the point where the small blind and the big blind are forced all in."
Source: http://www.bluffeurope.com/PokerMaga...attle_238.aspx

In your example, each player's stack (before blinds are paid) is worth three quarters of a cash. You've effectively got a 75% of chance of cashing by folding every hand. Ergo, if someone open shoves, you can only increase your share of the prize pool by calling with a hand that has more than 75% equity. Against an 82% CO jamming range, the button would need QQ+. (JJ might have enough equity too, but I guess there's the small chance that one of the other players wakes up with aces).
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