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Old 09-04-2009, 03:47 AM   #139
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Re: *~* Quick Checkup Thread - PLO flavour *~*

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Originally Posted by 2+2=5 View Post
yeah i obv cant's fold, i just posted to ask it there any merits to calling flop? of shoving is way better?
just shove

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Originally Posted by Poker monkey View Post
I'm just saying that when he does call a big raise we're probably going to be behind his range, mainly because although we have a huge draw, we don't have that many nut outs.
false. We shove the flop because we will get most money in the pot good this way. We have few nut outs and little reason to look for a turn we can get it in for pure value or fold on. However, we have SO MANY outs that HU we can't possibly be a huge dog except versus the sickest cooler (AsA9s8 or JsT9s8 etc.) and not shoving for value is just MUBS. WE ARE A FAVOURITE OVER A RANDOM TOP SET, and given the pot size if he could overbet shove with top-set and the NFD we couldn't fold anyway unless we were super super sick deep, and even then we have a pretty solid bluff-catcher.

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board: Ad6s7s
Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
5s4s9d8h	55.76%	333,197	2,715
AA**	44.24%	264,088	2,715

board: Ad6s7s
Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
5s4s9d8h	42.14%	251,292	3,101
AsA*s*	57.86%	345,607	3,101

board: Ad6s7s
Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
5s4s9d8h	30.70%	134,365	99,715
AsA8s9	69.30%	365,920	99,715

board: Ad6s7s
Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
5s4s9d8h	30.34%	127,950	108,165
JsT8s9	69.66%	363,885	108,165
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Originally Posted by Poker monkey View Post
The trouble with shoving is that you only really get action the times you're not in good shape... I mean are you just raising to try to get him to fold a random Ace? Or a better flush draw with no pair? This case is fairly unusual because your draw is so huge you're probably about 70% to hit a straight or flush by the river, so you could almost slow-play it. I guess what I'm saying is your hand has so much value you don't really need to fold out the "air" part of his range with a raise (you can do that on a later street anyway). And you've got position to play with. I'm all for playing draws aggressively, but in this case the ace on the board changes things a bit.
False. He is never folding top set this shallow.
False. We cannot slow-play this hand. You tend to slow-play when there are very few turn cards that change the relative value of your hand; half the deck sucks for us here and we have no idea how to interpret a . In PLO, the only time you can "slow-play" is when you have a hand like KKxx on a K83r flop - you'd get action on the flop from AAxx and all other hands have basically no outs versus to overtake you on the turn.
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