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Old 06-10-2017, 04:55 PM   #151
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Rules 10 and 11 allows a team to have less than 10 if they submit an incorrect team (over 1500 limit) and then remove a player later.
I think it would be more transparent if the rules stated that an entry could contain 9 or 10 players totaling 1,500. Otherwise why have the rule that all entries must have 10 entries?
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Old 06-10-2017, 05:23 PM   #152
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I've put the teams in:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0x...g4RmJjaGM/view
I hope everyone has access to this. It's not fancy like a spreadsheet. The teams are in ASCII order with the players ranked from best to worst.
If you notice anyone with 0 points and you know for a fact that they cashed (except in #2 or #10) then let me know. Probably our spelling of the name differs from the WSOP.com spelling.
Can't access. Clicked the box to ask for access and got the following message:

"Your request for access has been sent.

You will receive an email if and when your request is approved."

30 minutes later, no email as yet.

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Old 06-10-2017, 05:25 PM   #153
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I've put the teams in:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0x...g4RmJjaGM/view
I hope everyone has access to this.
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Old 06-10-2017, 05:32 PM   #154
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I think it would be more transparent if the rules stated that an entry could contain 9 or 10 players totaling 1,500. Otherwise why have the rule that all entries must have 10 entries?
Yeah. I didn't realize there was the option to run with 9 players instead. I see that technically the rules did allow it, so no foul, but the rules could be more explicit in that way.

Usually in a salary cap fantasy game like this, you simply must have the X number of players to have a valid team.

In my super-qualified opinion, as someone who wastes way too much time playing fantasy sports, in the future I'd recommend either let people take as many players as they want under the cap (3? 10? 15? 20? go for it) or require exactly 10. The middle ground is kind of weird.
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Old 06-10-2017, 05:56 PM   #155
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Events 14 and 15 added. Also found problems with 2 names that were differed from the official WSOP names: Alan Ari Engel is now Ari Engel and Alexandre Luneau is now Alex Luneau.
And the Christopher/Chris George situation?
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Old 06-10-2017, 05:57 PM   #156
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There is no option for 9 players.

The guy submitted a team of 10 players and was over budget.

I messaged him to change it and he didn't get back to me and so I removed a player from his team as a penalty.

Not a player of his choice, a player of my choice. He did not pick a team of 9 players.
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Old 06-10-2017, 06:08 PM   #157
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C'mon guys. Xander's putting a lot of effort into this. Let's not get on his back.
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Old 06-10-2017, 06:22 PM   #158
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You're right. I've made it public - should be accessible now.
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Old 06-10-2017, 06:39 PM   #159
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There is no option for 9 players.

The guy submitted a team of 10 players and was over budget.

I messaged him to change it and he didn't get back to me and so I removed a player from his team as a penalty.

Not a player of his choice, a player of my choice. He did not pick a team of 9 players.
I'll preface my remarks by saying I think this was an honest mistake and not an attempt to angle.

That being said, there is a loophole that could be exploited by doing just what he did.

According to rule #10:

"10. I will do my best to spot instances of exceeded salaries and give you a chance to correct it. If I notice and inform you that you need to make a change at least 24 hours before the registration deadline then you will have until the registration deadline to make the change (15:00 pacific time 30th May). If I notice and inform you that you need to make a change less than 24 hours before the registration deadline, but before the start of the first open event then you will have until the start of the first open event to make the change (15:00 pacific time 31st May). If you miss your deadline to change a player then you will have until 15:00 pacific time 1st June to select a player/players to remove from your team to fit within the salary cap. If you miss this deadline then I will select the fewest amount of players necessary to make your team valid. If you want to know more about what players I will pick to remove then just ask me and I'll happily explain my unbiased methods in detail."

Someone wanting to angle, could submit a team of 9 that adds up to 1500 and then add a 10th player for 109 points. Making sure none of his other players are set at 109 points he would know that the 10th man will be the one that is removed, as that will be "removing the fewest amount of players necessary to make the team valid".

In effect you could have a 9 man team with a salary cap of 1500.

Perhaps next year you should simply void a team that violates the rules and refund the player's money. Then there would be no question as to the player's intent and everyone would be held to the same parameters.

I hesitated to even comment on the situation because I appreciate you're running the contest and hate to have you put up with petty complaints. I just feel that those who screw up their submission, whether intentionally or not, should have that submission voided.
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Old 06-10-2017, 06:50 PM   #160
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I agree that it could be used as an angle and that also it's not an angle this time.

For next year the rule will be that if you send in a team over budget then I'll remove players to get down to 1425.
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Old 06-10-2017, 06:55 PM   #161
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And the Christopher/Chris George situation?
There are 8 Chris/Christopher Georges on Hendon Mob. All would have cost 75 except Chris George (NY). Since everyone who took Christopher George paid the 138 points and not 75, they all selected Chris George (NY).
I'll correct the name and rerun the stats.
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Old 06-10-2017, 07:07 PM   #162
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In one of Daniel's vlogs he said he spoke to someone about how tag team POY points would be awarded. He was told points would be based on ROI and split by the number of partners.

He said he was fine with the points being split but thought entry fee should be adjusted too.

The team entry fee was $10,000 and they each were credited with earning only 2.9 times their buy-in as a prize (each team member got $29,000). He felt it would be more fair if their ROI was based on each member's cost of $2500 returning $29,000 (11.6 times buy-in).

Perhaps they will take that into account eventually.

I also had another question. I believe only "open" events are included so points earned in the Employees, Seniors, Super Seniors, and Ladies events will not count in our contest. Is that correct? Are there any other "closed" events?

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Old 06-10-2017, 07:09 PM   #163
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I agree that it could be used as an angle and that also it's not an angle this time.

For next year the rule will be that if you send in a team over budget then I'll remove players to get down to 1425.
Ah, a perfect solution. No voided submissions and potential abuse avoided.
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Old 06-10-2017, 07:33 PM   #164
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With the Chris George (NY) revision
1 AdamSchwartz 924.90
2 patstap2 907.50
3 fauldinho 891.70
4 ATrainBoston 836.80
5 FerencL 824.70
6 Andy Dufrense 744.40
7 garzelli 740.00
8 kptrpt 715.60
9 rja87 701.40
10 Reckless_Abando 693.50
11 PeteBlow 687.90
12 ScotFish 671.70
13 TheVig 663.50
14 slcpunk 662.90
15 bjg5091 660.20
16 Millermoney 647.40
17 Pascalkid 639.10
18 JerseyDP 633.90
19 Rabble303 625.80
20 that_pope 620.90
21 allinnthedark 617.90
22 jmills104 612.00
23 nebluefc 611.90
24 Wesrwood 594.70
25 J3w3ll3r 575.10
26 xander biscuits 567.50
27 Headhunter13 567.20
28 TheDarkKnight 557.50
29 TylerD 551.70
30 goldenage 547.50
31 coastal empire 541.00
32 mikelbyl 537.50
33 DayTripping 528.70
34 cmitch 525.90
35 Squiz2 510.60
36 gamblingmonkey 507.50
37 A MTT PRO 504.80
38 jdalla 504.00
39 pokerbrat 475.60
40 larskan 469.80
41 Army Eye 467.20
42 ByeByeJoe 454.80
43 my2kids 454.30
44 EagleEyzz 449.60
45 hussainsajwani 445.60
46 ilittle17 424.10
47 nedry 420.80
48 hummylun 410.70
49 darrinc 409.60
50 Schu_81 408.30
51 jeven555 405.70
52 Wilbury Twist 404.20
53 the Mentaculus 397.90
54 jh00k 382.20
55 Fatty McFat 376.00
56 Westside8 373.10
57 rdsxfan 362.70
58 jankynoname 360.30
59 tithayer 356.00
60 rubixxcube 355.60
61 youriw21 355.40
62 Bradyboy22 349.70
63 TBell 346.70
64 siberianex 346.60
65 chilidawg7 331.40
66 Banned On Video 331.20
67 Kaka Kaka 322.10
68 ItalianJoe157 308.50
69 eleanor60 297.90
70 trebetlite 297.90
71 Hero Value 286.00
72 Benyamin 277.80
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74 monsterwongpoke 274.00
75 Gujanator 270.00
76 WesleyNobels 268.30
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Old 06-10-2017, 07:33 PM   #165
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C'mon guys. Xander's putting a lot of effort into this. Let's not get on his back.
Hope I didn't come off that way. I just want to help preempt people getting on his back in the future. If a 9/$1500 team cashed, he would hear about it

The 1425 cap solution is perfect. No way to take advantage of the loophole next time.

Thanks to xander and all the others putting in legwork.
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Old 06-10-2017, 07:49 PM   #166
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In one of Daniel's vlogs he said he spoke to someone about how tag team POY points would be awarded. He was told points would be based on ROI and split by the number of partners.

He said he was fine with the points being split but thought entry fee should be adjusted too.

The team entry fee was $10,000 and they each were credited with earning only 2.9 times their buy-in as a prize (each team member got $29,000). He felt it would be more fair if their ROI was based on each member's cost of $2500 returning $29,000 (11.6 times buy-in).

Perhaps they will take that into account eventually.

I also had another question. I believe only "open" events are included so points earned in the Employees, Seniors, Super Seniors, and Ladies events will not count in our contest. Is that correct? Are there any other "closed" events?
I think Daniel is a little confused. The entry fee was not split. The payout was not split. Only the points are split. They calculate as if there was only one person playing. Then they split those points 2 3 or 4 ways. This is perfectly fair because whether you have 1 person playing or 100, the accomplishment is the same. Therefore the points (unsplit) is the true worth of what these people did. Then, everyone takes their share of the points.
There is no points based on ROI - if you use their calculator, you can see that even if someone loses money they still get points.
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Old 06-10-2017, 07:55 PM   #167
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I imagine the the 25k whatsapp group has been quite active since DNegs team took so many points. He played the system very well.
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Old 06-10-2017, 08:49 PM   #168
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Someone asked about Tom/Thomas Hall. Everybody paid 85 for Tom Hall. Thomas Hall from Shrewsbury would be the only one that didn't cost 75. However, Hendon Mob shows two Tom/Thomas Hall's from Shrewsbury. But if you click on the name "Thomas Hall" (27th in Colossus) you get someone with 8 lifetime cashes. That must be the 85 point Tom Hall. Corrected. Should show up with the next update.
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Old 06-10-2017, 09:07 PM   #169
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Yes, I was originally going to have Tom Hall in my team.
https://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/jabracada/
The other 'known' Tom Hall is the one who plays the hi rollers in Macau.
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Old 06-10-2017, 10:55 PM   #170
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There are 8 Chris/Christopher Georges on Hendon Mob. All would have cost 75 except Chris George (NY). Since everyone who took Christopher George paid the 138 points and not 75, they all selected Chris George (NY).
I'll correct the name and rerun the stats.
You the man, thank you
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Old 06-11-2017, 10:56 AM   #171
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Events 16 and 17 added. Tom Hall corrected to Thomas Hall
1 ATrainBoston 1050.10
2 AdamSchwartz 1033.70
3 fauldinho 954.30
4 patstap2 907.50
5 FerencL 887.30
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9 garzelli 792.80
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12 coastal empire 746.40
13 Andy Dufrense 744.40
14 slcpunk 741.90
15 bjg5091 728.90
16 PeteBlow 728.00
17 nebluefc 720.60
18 kptrpt 715.60
19 ScotFish 711.80
20 allinnthedark 702.10
21 Pascalkid 701.70
22 rja87 701.40
23 JerseyDP 693.40
24 Millermoney 686.30
25 that_pope 664.50
26 TheVig 663.50
27 jh00k 638.60
28 ByeByeJoe 626.80
29 Rabble303 625.80
30 larskan 618.60
31 mikelbyl 617.70
32 TylerD 611.20
33 Headhunter13 608.20
34 pokerbrat 599.90
35 TheDarkKnight 596.40
36 Westside8 596.40
37 A MTT PRO 596.30
38 Wesrwood 594.70
39 ilittle17 594.00
40 jdalla 588.20
41 goldenage 587.60
42 my2kids 585.30
43 rubixxcube 581.80
44 DayTripping 572.30
45 gamblingmonkey 570.10
46 darrinc 557.20
47 Squiz2 556.00
48 Wilbury Twist 553.00
49 professormike 533.70
50 Schu_81 492.50
51 EagleEyzz 489.70
52 hussainsajwani 486.60
53 Army Eye 467.20
54 the Mentaculus 466.60
55 ItalianJoe157 445.50
56 Kaka Kaka 430.80
57 nedry 420.80
58 youriw21 418.00
59 Fatty McFat 414.90
60 chilidawg7 411.10
61 hummylun 410.70
62 siberianex 409.20
63 jeven555 405.70
64 WesleyNobels 405.30
65 Ramiro88 403.90
66 rdsxfan 403.70
67 jankynoname 399.70
68 Bradyboy22 390.70
69 TBell 386.80
70 Banned On Video 369.90
71 eleanor60 357.40
72 tithayer 356.00
73 Hero Value 348.60
74 trebetlite 341.50
75 ANYTWO72 329.30
76 Benyamin 317.90
77 monsterwongpoke 315.00
78 bellatrix 310.40
79 Smoothmover 303.00
80 ryguy80 299.60
81 WayAbvPar 292.50
82 spidey811 274.10
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Old 06-11-2017, 11:04 AM   #172
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Guess I may as well give up now. I should have played my team from last year!
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Old 06-11-2017, 12:18 PM   #173
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Someone asked about Tom/Thomas Hall. Everybody paid 85 for Tom Hall. Thomas Hall from Shrewsbury would be the only one that didn't cost 75. However, Hendon Mob shows two Tom/Thomas Hall's from Shrewsbury. But if you click on the name "Thomas Hall" (27th in Colossus) you get someone with 8 lifetime cashes. That must be the 85 point Tom Hall. Corrected. Should show up with the next update.
Thank you, much appreciated!
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Old 06-11-2017, 04:43 PM   #174
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So Atrain is winning despite having picked Chainsaw.
I refuse to believe the eventual winner will have picked him.
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Old 06-11-2017, 04:47 PM   #175
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Sitting in 13th place as of now. 1 in milly maker Bryce Yockey
I got 3 still left in $1500 8-game
ODB, David Levi, randy Ohel.
Cant believe Im the only one who took Ohel.
Has 5 cashes so far he is pretty tough.
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