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Old 01-30-2015, 03:04 PM   #1
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Pokercast tree fiddy - The return of Andy Beal with Kyle Loman, and the Aussie Millions

Pokercast 350: The return of Andy Beal with Kyle Loman, and the Aussie Millions

Live from the Two Plus Two Studios - This Week on the Pokercast: It’s about episode tree fiddy and Terrence is fresh off of a cash in the Aussie Millions Main Event. He joins us once again from Melbourne for a packed show. We kick it all off with Terrence’s experience at the Crown Casino and then recap all of the big events that were played this week. Along with T Chan, Phil Ivey and other notables made deep runs in the Main as well as the $25k and the $100k tournaments. Daniel "Jungleman" Cates is the centre of another controversy in the $100k event where he exploded after taking a beat and Terrence recounts some first hand experience playing with him this week. Not all the high stakes action was taking place in Australia this week as the infamous billionaire Andy Beal returned to the scene, this time taking on Todd Brunson in a heads up $50k/$100k $5M limit hold’em freeze out heads up match. Kyle Loman is a live pro in Vegas and he was there to witness the whole thing so we brought him on to talk about what he saw, his grind and the current Vegas poker scene in general. Adam also addresses a rumour that Jean-Robert Bellande won $5M playing $2k/$4k NL in Ivey’s Room at the Aria. Other stories covered in “In Case You Missed It” are David Sklansky’s epic debut streaming poker on Twitch, the WSOP’s reversal of the Main Event's $10M first place guarantee and the announcement that PokerNews will no longer being the official live reporting team for the WSOP. The Nominees for the GPI American Poker Awards are announced and Chris Grove joins us to give us the details on a promising new California online poker bill. In “140 or less” Adam and Terrence review tweets from Dan O’Brien as well as Jesse MacKenzie regarding the Timex stare down. Adam gets into the Mail Bag and then we hop over to the Isle of Man to talk to Pokerstars' own Lee Jones about the happenings at the world’s largest poker site this week. Lee gives us a quick TCOOP update as we wind down towards the main event of the series and joke about a strange Pokerstars question on Jeopardy. Lastly, the guys offer up this weeks favourite things and give out the password to the Pokercast Invitational!

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Old 01-30-2015, 03:12 PM   #4
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hey, do the two tied for first make me second?
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Terence officially acknowledged as non-drinker of alcoholic beverage. Bitbutger is one of the better knows German beers.
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Old 01-31-2015, 04:54 AM   #12
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Re: Pokercast tree fiddy - The return of Andy Beal with Kyle Loman, and the Aussie Millions

Just started listening to this episode, not far in as of this post.

First of all, I absolutely meant to make a witty intro with the "so I won't get fined" and never got around to it. Very glad that Roscoe was all over it.

Secondly, when it comes to tournament bubble stalling, I thought of an idea while watching the WSOP coverage on ESPN, right around the time that one guy got into the hand with Dan Smith. I'll be the first to admit this isn't the best idea, and might not even be a good one at all, but I think it (or something like it) could help address this particular problem.

I call it the provisional bubble. Right now, as everyone reading this forum would know, poker tournaments have an absolute number of people cashing for any given tournament. It's not known from the start, but by the time the bubble approaches, every player knows exactly where it is. It's on the info board. This event will pay N places. If you finish Nth+1 or worse, you're going home empty-handed. If you finish Nth or better, you're taking home some prize.

My proposal would be to stick with whatever method is used to determine that number. No need for that to change. But here's where my idea differs from the status quo: once that number is reached, the smallest stacks in the field are also eliminated without a prize. How many? That also depends on the field size. In a 300-person field that pays 40, it might just be the bottom three. In a massive 3000-person event that pays 350, you might be lopping off as many as 30 more. (Note: I'll admit I haven't really thought out what the number should be, but I like 1 percent right now.)

In case anyone can't conceptualize this, I'll use as a concrete example Event #2 at the 2012 WSOP, simply because that's an event that TChan min-cashed but did not stall to do so because he eschews the practice like a boss. This $1,500 NLHE event drew 2,101 runners and paid out 216.

Under normal practices, of course, as play nears that 216 threshold but before hand-for-hand play begins, some stacks might choose to stall in the hopes that they can sneak past the goal line. This is also the part when #stallinglikeadouche starts trending on Twitter. At 216, the bubble bursts and everyone who was deathly low feels safe to gamble. Players start busting so fast that the Rio has to staff extra cashiers. (Well, maybe they don't. I've never been a part of that scene.)

Under my plan, when they hit 216, the tournament clock stops. The floor staff goes looking for the smallest, say, 21 stacks (1 percent of the original field). Of course, this number is predetermined and announced along with the payouts and the bubble. "There shall be no shenanigans in my event," says the TD, glaring at Christian Lusardi.

Those 21 players, who you know will be standing by their stacks and will not be pushing Vanessa Selbst out of the bathroom stalls, are eliminated from the tournament and their chips are removed. The remaining 195 players have made the money, which by then will be scrolling up the tourney info screen.


Again, a provisional bubble. You hit that milestone but a player winning money is provisional on his/her having sufficient chips to survive the final cut.

So think about that. Any short stack can't just sit around waiting for other players to bust, because he/she also can't risk being one of the smallest stacks. A really small stack, say 5 BBs or fewer, will be forced to gamble. Hobbling to the bubble might not guarantee a payout like it does now.

Would it completely curb stalling? Well, no. I could envision some people who have a "short but safe" stack, maybe in the 20x range, pulling the same Hollywood number as they do now. But I think their slowness would be more than offset by the number of life-support stacks having to shove ATC just to avoid the axe. Even if one short stack got someone to check all the tables to estimate who is in the gravest danger, he can't possibly know which ones will double up quickly enough to suddenly move him on to the cutting board.

I'll reiterate that this isn't necessarily a great idea. For starters, I don't love the idea of having some players bust by means other than an actual poker hand. So I can already poo-poo my own proposal even before I've finished typing it.

It's just a thought. I welcome others.

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Old 01-31-2015, 12:42 PM   #13
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Re: Pokercast tree fiddy - The return of Andy Beal with Kyle Loman, and the Aussie Millions

Ironically I listened to Terrance Chan's podcast before the 2nd day of the main

Fyi Pokernew's report is wrong, it paints quite an inaccurate picture. Chips never actually hit Rossiter, rather I tossed a few underhanded towards his stack (Rossiter would confirm). I wasn't going to say anything but someone reputable berating me publicly prompts me I guess. I recognize this does not excuse my behaviour... I think a bunch of people calling me a tool is a pretty fitting punishment Ok, you all have a point. If the casino actually took any action against me based on the report, Pokernews might have a little extra incentive their reports accurately...

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Old 01-31-2015, 01:06 PM   #14
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I assumed you picked up the chips and threw them baseball style at the guy
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Want to stop stalling at the bubble? Make a rule against it. Of course that rule would cause those who use stalling throughout the tournament as a tactic to have a disadvantage at that time.

The only time I stall is when i know there are one or more players like Tchan at my table that are bothered by the tactic.
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Ironically I listened to Terrance Chan's podcast before the 2nd day of the main

Fyi Pokernew's report is wrong, it paints quite an inaccurate picture. Chips never actually hit Rossiter, rather I tossed a few underhanded towards his stack (Rossiter would confirm). I wasn't going to say anything but someone reputable berating me publicly prompts me I guess. I recognize this does not excuse my behaviour... I think a bunch of people calling me a tool is a pretty fitting punishment Ok, you all have a point. If the casino actually took any action against me based on the report, Pokernews might have a little extra incentive their reports accurately...
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Always liked the favorite things segment. Wished there was a permanent thread with all the suggestions.

Anyways, I've been watching quite a few documentaries lately. Here are some you haven't mentioned that I thought were great.

Tim's Vermeer - about paintings of the 1600s by Johannes Vermeer. They looked different from most other artists artwork...and a man tries to find out how he does it.

Undefeated - about a high school football team and how their coach tries to make his players great both on and off the field.

Blackfish - like the cove...probably not as graphically disturbing. About how Sea World operates and the ethics of their operations.

Chasing Ice - looks at global warming and how it's changing glaciers. They capture some stunning video.
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Old 01-31-2015, 08:43 PM   #18
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Ironically I listened to Terrance Chan's podcast before the 2nd day of the main

Fyi Pokernew's report is wrong, it paints quite an inaccurate picture. Chips never actually hit Rossiter, rather I tossed a few underhanded towards his stack (Rossiter would confirm). I wasn't going to say anything but someone reputable berating me publicly prompts me I guess. I recognize this does not excuse my behaviour... I think a bunch of people calling me a tool is a pretty fitting punishment Ok, you all have a point. If the casino actually took any action against me based on the report, Pokernews might have a little extra incentive their reports accurately...
Thanks for your side, Dan.

Tossing a few underhanded is a different ballpark then throwing them baseball style at his chest. Before we started talking about it on the show, I should have said "If the Pokernews account is the way it went down, then..."

It also should have occurred to me that you didn't get 86'd from the casino, so maybe the PN account isn't 100% accurate as most places would bar you for some period of time for a baseball, full speed, chip toss.

I will make this correction on next week's show.
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Interesting podcast today, I really like the three of you, I am so familiarized with your voices that it is weird to explain but when I have a new podcast to listen my day changes for the better every time.
On a separate note I came to post this here because I feel like on the pokercast thread episode 348 they were a little hard with Ross on something when he is not entirely responsible of this.


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Also the drops (if that is what they are called) are more often than not ill timed and not funny. Sorry Ross, not trying to be a hater. Just sharing an observation.
I noticed many times when Ross goes for a drop, Andy keeps on talking like nothing happened, which is not a great thing to do, It is definetly not on purpose , but that's why a lot of people noticed these drops "off timed" because we don't listen to any laugh or gesture from Andy or Terrance and makes the hole situation a little bit awkward.

Just my 2 cents I hope I explained my self correctly, I am from Argentina so english is a little bit spewy. Best of luck guys, keep crushing the podcast!
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Thanks for your side, Dan.

Tossing a few underhanded is a different ballpark then throwing them baseball style at his chest. Before we started talking about it on the show, I should have said "If the Pokernews account is the way it went down, then..."

It also should have occurred to me that you didn't get 86'd from the casino, so maybe the PN account isn't 100% accurate as most places would bar you for some period of time for a baseball, full speed, chip toss.

I will make this correction on next week's show.
thank you, I appreciate this a lot thanks. I also apologized personally to Rossiter (he can confirm, as well as others can)
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Stalling??!!
TChan mentioned that he played the clocked event at the Aussie millions, I was wondering if he has any reports from that about stalling, and I was also wondering about whether there was any sort of timebank chip available like they have in the shark cage.

I think the only possible way to make stalling less of a pain in the butt is to introduce a clock for all tournaments, 20 seconds sounds a little too short I think somewhere between 30 and 60 seconds for each hand.

This would also have the added benefit of making tournaments quicker due to there being more hands played per level.
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I listened to three fiddy on my flight back from my annual trip to Vegas this week. Just a couple of quick comments...

On the subject of tilt control... I have taken a short course on emotional intelligence at work. One fundamental principle is to not act on something that upsets you until you are emotionally able to do it responsibly. One way I incorporate this into low limit NL cash games is to always have my next buy in in my pocket. When I am in an all-in situation, I just expect to lose and tell myself if I get stacked, I will just reach in my pocket and buy a fresh new stack.

The interview with Kyle Loman was interesting. I am a fanboy like him and appreciated his perspective on the HU match and especially about playing 2/5 NL in Vegas.

Interesting guest suggestion: Brian Devonshire. Would be interested in his thoughts about his most recent deep main event run and how he handled staking arrangements. I know Adam had a piece of him and I think Devo is ok talking about such details.
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Another great episode guys!

I want to say a delayed thank you (to Terrence I think) for mentioning Dan Carlin's Hardcore History podcast as one of his favorite things a few weeks back. The guy is amazing.

The show Adam mentioned sounds very interesting as well but I will probably wait for a few weeks until more episodes pile up.
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I expected the show to be 25 minutes longer.
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