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Old 08-11-2009, 05:42 AM   #1
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Pokercast Episode 84 - 2 Months 2 Million w/Dani 'Ansky' Stern and Jason 'Krantz' Rosenkrantz

Live from the Two Plus Two Studios, August 11th 2009 - This week on Pokercast we feature a special preview of the new G4 network poker reality show "Two Months. Two Million" which debuts on august 16th, Dani "Ansky" Stern and Jason "Krantz" Rosenkrantz are featured on the program giving us an inside scoop on this highly anticipated reality show. Aaron Jones provides some more great poker insights in this weeks strategy segment. Scotty from PokerStars also chimes in on the show helping shed some light on the much talked about Heads Up Sit-N-Go "rematch glitch" in the latest software release. Mike and Adam also talk some tournament news, forum static and of course gives away the password for the August 16th Poker Stars VIP Club Invitational for Pokercast listeners. Discuss this Pokercast on the 2+2 Forums


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Old 08-11-2009, 05:54 AM   #2
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Old 08-11-2009, 05:56 AM   #3
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downloading now ... am interested to hear what stars have to say about the SNG issue
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Old 08-11-2009, 08:02 AM   #4
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Thanks guys, I enjoy the show every week!
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Old 08-11-2009, 09:22 AM   #5
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haha take me to your lederer is so good
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Old 08-11-2009, 10:05 AM   #6
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haha take me to your lederer is so good
Check out this post in the "poker film titles"-thread (a nice photoshop of that phrase): Take me to your Lederer
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Old 08-11-2009, 11:13 AM   #7
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re: Pokercast Episode 84 - 2 Months 2 Million w/Danni 'Ansky' Stern and Jason 'Krantz' Rosenkrantz

Nice show...but did i miss the password????
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Old 08-11-2009, 11:28 AM   #8
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re: Pokercast Episode 84 - 2 Months 2 Million w/Danni 'Ansky' Stern and Jason 'Krantz' Rosenkrantz

Suzzer OTT thread:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/34...nigans-553765/
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Old 08-11-2009, 11:36 AM   #9
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2M2MM != 2M2M imo.
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Old 08-11-2009, 11:40 AM   #10
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Check out this post in the "poker film titles"-thread (a nice photoshop of that phrase): Take me to your Lederer
hahahaha guy is hillarious , thanks
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Old 08-11-2009, 11:57 AM   #11
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As a former professional software engineer, and as someone who now researches software engineering, I think the SNG bug isn't all that surprising or the result of a 'rogue employee'.

It seems obvious to say: "it should check that the buy-in is there before rematching" but the actual code is likely insanely complicated.

The code error isn't surprising, but the following shouldn't have happened:

- code made it through review
- code was approved during testing
- code made it through roll out on test server
- code made it live

In essence, the fault lays completely on pokerstars, and it seems they've handled it 100% correctly..
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Old 08-11-2009, 12:18 PM   #12
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re: Pokercast Episode 84 - 2 Months 2 Million w/Danni 'Ansky' Stern and Jason 'Krantz' Rosenkrantz

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It seems obvious to say: "it should check that the buy-in is there before rematching" but the actual code is likely insanely complicated.

In essence, the fault lays completely on pokerstars, and it seems they've handled it 100% correctly..

While I agree with you 95%, it seems that a check of the player account shouldnt be all that complicated, expecially when they've effectively implemented the same this for re-buy tournies.

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Old 08-11-2009, 12:36 PM   #13
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re: Pokercast Episode 84 - 2 Months 2 Million w/Danni 'Ansky' Stern and Jason 'Krantz' Rosenkrantz

was playing with alan boston yesterday, he did chat more so than any other pro, he mentioned(proudly) that he's a sports bettor first, and am glad i didnt bother saying i always think of boston rob(surviver) whenever i see his name around
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Old 08-11-2009, 12:55 PM   #14
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Nice show...but did i miss the password????
Upon review, looks like we may have failed to announce it. My fault obv. I will think of the best way to get the password out for this Sunday. May end up having to post it here and in the Pokercast Invitational Questions thread. So sorry.
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Old 08-11-2009, 01:04 PM   #15
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While I agree with you 95%, it seems that a check of the player account shouldnt be all that complicated, expecially when they've effectively implemented the same this for re-buy tournies.
Right, but there rematch code is a little more complicated. With a rebuy tournament, the same tourney is running, whereas with the rematch a new tournament is launched and you're automatically bought into it. The check is likely complicated because it could be checked/debited at various times:

- Before rematch is offered.
- Once rematch is accepted.
- Once rematch starts.

It really depends on when the debit takes place. The check also likely has some code to deal with some race conditions. For instance, if the buy-in is to be deducted only if the opponent accepts, then a race condition could occur if they registered for another tournament at the same time. The bug could be a result of lock/committing the buy-in too soon but not being deducted until later.

I agree that the rebuy tournament could be subject to the same sort of bug.
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Old 08-11-2009, 01:34 PM   #16
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2M2MM != 2M2M imo.
second that
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Old 08-11-2009, 03:29 PM   #17
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Upon review, looks like we may have failed to announce it. My fault obv. I will think of the best way to get the password out for this Sunday. May end up having to post it here and in the Pokercast Invitational Questions thread. So sorry.
I've just listened twice and thought the same thing.
Great listen as always though
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Old 08-11-2009, 04:31 PM   #18
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Re: Pokercast Episode 84 - 2 Months 2 Million w/Danni 'Ansky' Stern and Jason 'Krantz' Rosenkra

Man can't wait for the next version of Busto to Robusto. Krantz said it's someone on the complete opposite of the spectrum as Zeebo. Guesses on who it will be?
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Old 08-11-2009, 06:11 PM   #19
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Re: Pokercast Episode 84 - 2 Months 2 Million w/Dani 'Ansky' Stern and Jason 'Krantz' Rosenkran

The freeroll/invitational will not be password protected this week. Ssssh.. Keep it quiet before...
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... too late.

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Old 08-11-2009, 08:52 PM   #21
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Old 08-11-2009, 09:04 PM   #22
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so no truth to the rumor, that the password is "rematch"

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Old 08-11-2009, 09:05 PM   #23
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congrats on the marriage mj
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Old 08-11-2009, 09:42 PM   #24
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As a former professional software engineer, and as someone who now researches software engineering, I think the SNG bug isn't all that surprising or the result of a 'rogue employee'.

It seems obvious to say: "it should check that the buy-in is there before rematching" but the actual code is likely insanely complicated.

The code error isn't surprising, but the following shouldn't have happened:

- code made it through review
- code was approved during testing
- code made it through roll out on test server
- code made it live

In essence, the fault lays completely on pokerstars, and it seems they've handled it 100% correctly..
The accounting code should be entirely seperate module to the client side registration code. The latter should request to the former to purchase X amount, the accounting module should run the verification process, check balances, make the reductions, and return the authorization to register the opponent.

I am simplifying the process, but this clear seperation should exist. The accounting code should have been altered, should have a seperate and complete unit test, and therefore such bugs should never be introduced in to production code. Given how easily such 50k mistakes are made, i hope stars makes the right steps in creating this code seperation to ensures such things can't occur again.
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