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Pokercast Episode 69 - JOE TALL on Avoiding Hackers, JOE REITMAN, and Legislation Talk Pokercast Episode 69 - JOE TALL on Avoiding Hackers, JOE REITMAN, and Legislation Talk

05-01-2009 , 01:28 AM
Meant to add a vote for Mike and a guest for the week after next, with the guest being a poker person.

Terrence would be good, as would somebody like Bond18 if you could run the show over the phone (although then I guess you could just have Adam).
05-01-2009 , 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by EdmondDantes
I mentioned Party because that was the first site I played online and the market leader before UIGEA. My point was I didn't think an online site just drawing from the CA population would get to the scale of Stars, Tilt or Party who could draw from multiple geographic locations.

As for Party specifically, as much a people complained about them, they were the market leader pre-UIGEA and a powerful marketing machine to bring in new players. They also have the advantage of arguing that they complied with the UIGEA by pulling out of the US market. If UIGEA were repealed and they re-entered the US market, I think they'd recapture some share. All those guys for whom Party was a primary site will give them another look.
I understand why you mentioned Stars Tilt and Party. Your point made perfect sense. I brought up the fact you mentioned Party - i hadnt realised that people had complained about them (for what reason?), simply because it indicated that Party still has some presence in the minds of the US poker world, which although not totally unexpected (for the reasons you gave above) was a lil surprising to me. Just made me wonder what others felt about the possible affect of a Party return on the smaller sites including UB and Bodog.
05-01-2009 , 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by jefkve
I'd say Annie is more like an 86o....blows, but still a winner!
Shanon Elizabeth may = AA, but Annie Duke > JKo. LOLOL im so funny.
05-01-2009 , 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by HundredsOfStuff
Shanon Elizabeth may = AA, but Annie Duke > JKo. LOLOL im so funny.
ICWUDT.
Good times.
I wonder if 4,K is in Annie's range too.
05-01-2009 , 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by S t =0= n a
I wonder if 4,K is in Annie's range too.
She certainly likes 2,8 guys.
05-01-2009 , 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Warteen
So close. Annie is 69 suited in diamonds. Big Lick FTW.

What impressed me most about Joe was that he knows how people feel about Annie yet he doesn't care what people say or think, that's his significant other, the person he lives with. Lets be nice guys... Joe is a great guy, most everyone who gets to know him likes him in the poker community, lets show a little respect for Joe's good nature, after all he knows how hated Annie is on 2+2 yet was more than willing to come on the show, he is a great sport and in turn we should show him that we can be good sports as well. thanks :-)

Last edited by *TT*; 05-01-2009 at 11:44 AM. Reason: I'm off the soapbox now, sorry about that!
05-01-2009 , 11:56 AM
Too much Lacey Jones and not enough Maria Ho in this episode.
05-01-2009 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by tunaman3000
Too much Lacey Jones and not enough Maria Ho in this episode.
Classic Tunaman3000 IMO.
05-01-2009 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Bond18
Classic Tunaman3000 IMO.
05-01-2009 , 03:47 PM
Good show but prob not my favorite. The strategy segment was good, and Arron seemed a lot clearer this week, the social identity theft thing was okay although things like that have been around for years, and I though the Cali online poker segment was a bit strange - partly because it was preceded with Mike saying that they don't cover every bit of legislative news and how this was a 'breaking news' item only to be followed by the bloke saying that it was all at a very early stage and nothing would be happening anytime soon. It also sounded a pretty dumb plan.... Stars and Tilt have a lot of US players who are not restricted to one state, and if the federal law changes to allow US players to transfer money legally to poker sites (which isn't the most unlikely thing in the world) then a state-only site would be a white elephant. I can see why someone would have the conversation about it, but I can't see it being overly newsworthy. Not yet anyway.
05-01-2009 , 03:48 PM
By the way Kyle Kirkland is one of the owners of Club One, that's the notorious card room where a guy littlerally "bet the pot"

video here - http://www.clubonecasino.com/?s=Kyle&x=0&y=0&=Go

He is also sits on the board of the California Gaming Association and through that participates in the industry group looking at intrastate online poker, once again the Pokercast delivers!
05-01-2009 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Barnfather
Stars and Tilt have a lot of US players who are not restricted to one state, and if the federal law changes to allow US players to transfer money legally to poker sites (which isn't the most unlikely thing in the world) then a state-only site would be a white elephant. I can see why someone would have the conversation about it, but I can't see it being overly newsworthy. Not yet anyway.

Barnfather - your looking at this backwards, let me explain. People in the USA can transfer money too and from poker sites today due to loopholes, those loopholes are scheduled to be closed in December when UGIEA rules are scheduled to be implemented. Intra-State sites might be the only option soon, its also possible that intra-state sites license out to companys such as Stars or 888 to proide their infastructure, its too soon to tell but the important part is that we start discussing it now so it comes up higher on the agenda. The federal law wont change anytime soon to accomodate players the way you think, the problem is that the USA is actually similar to the EU, each state acts independantly while using common commerce laws for interstate. Many people belive that the only way online poker will be legalized in the USA is by the introduction of intra-state poker rooms first which makes this a very important conversation to have. The timelyness was good because iGamingNews reported that there was a bill submitted in the state of California but we learned that was not correct through Kyle, he is our inside man on the board, we are very lucky to have him as a great resource!

PS: Thanks to everyone outside the USA who puts up with our legislative crap, thats really cool of you all.
05-01-2009 , 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by *TT*
Barnfather - your looking at this backwards, let me explain. People in the USA can transfer money too and from poker sites today due to loopholes, those loopholes are scheduled to be closed in December when UGIEA rules are scheduled to be implemented. Intra-State sites might be the only option soon, its also possible that intra-state sites license out to companys such as Stars or 888 to proide their infastructure, its too soon to tell but the important part is that we start discussing it now so it comes up higher on the agenda. The federal law wont change anytime soon to accomodate players the way you think, the problem is that the USA is actually similar to the EU, each state acts independantly while using common commerce laws for interstate. Many people belive that the only way online poker will be legalized in the USA is by the introduction of intra-state poker rooms first which makes this a very important conversation to have. The timelyness was good because iGamingNews reported that there was a bill submitted in the state of California but we learned that was not correct through Kyle, he is our inside man on the board, we are very lucky to have him as a great resource!

PS: Thanks to everyone outside the USA who puts up with our legislative crap, thats really cool of you all.
Thanks for that TT. I stand corrected.

Must admit that from the UK, all the US gaming restrictions are a bit confusing!
05-01-2009 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Barnfather
Thanks for that TT. I stand corrected.

Must admit that from the UK, all the US gaming restrictions are a bit confusing!

Nobody understands it here either, including the PPA :-) Most people here think of the USA as a country that has states in it, instead you should think of us as 50 states which bound together to create a union of states to help understand how the laws work here. This is why inter-state commerce laws are so confusing. I have been told that the Constitution was supposed to be re-written every few years, we haven't had an amendment in decades and I doubt that they will bring an amendment just to address the online poker issue, oddly we might be in the best possible position right now because there is so little understanding of the law.
05-01-2009 , 06:01 PM
On the topic of using strong passwords and unguessable security questions I give you Password Safe.

Passwords as a method of authentication suck but since we are stuck with then for the foreseeable future a tool like Password Safe is quite helpful.
05-01-2009 , 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by funkyj
On the topic of using strong passwords and unguessable security questions I give you Password Safe.

Passwords as a method of authentication suck but since we are stuck with then for the foreseeable future a tool like Password Safe is quite helpful.
I second this. I use a similar product for mac: '1Password'. Most of my passwords for sites are randomly generated gibberish that this thing fills into forms for me. If I need something away from my home machines, I can use iphone app to look up my password (after providing my master pw).
05-02-2009 , 08:11 AM
Great show guys, echoing how professional and well placed your questions are.

AEJones is da bomb. Amazing to listen to him dissect a hand. I think it is a win win for everyone. I am sure such analysis will help LeggoPoker sell some memberships (including me contemplating it) and certainly helps the listener.
05-02-2009 , 03:45 PM
I've tried several times, but can only get 2 mins 26 seconds of the beginning of the show before it ends. I'm using the 2p2 browser directly not the Itunes. Any idea what's wrong? I'm surprised no one has mentioned this, is it only me?
05-02-2009 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by AcesFull
I've tried several times, but can only get 2 mins 26 seconds of the beginning of the show before it ends. I'm using the 2p2 browser directly not the Itunes. Any idea what's wrong? I'm surprised no one has mentioned this, is it only me?
You can download the file here:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/97...-links-105691/

I suspect the problem your having is that your browser cache has a bad version in it. Try clearing it for 2+2 -- some lesser browsers may force you to clear it all.
05-02-2009 , 06:51 PM
Solid week again guys, always entertaining.

This may have been suggested, but I'm too lazy to check - the expanded strategy segments with aejones are so awesome, couldn't you set up a regular slot for this? i.e. the 3rd week of the month...

Plus also good shout about the Shronk Pokerroad episode Johnny!
05-02-2009 , 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by daimbar
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Shouldn't your location be "...998, 999, 1000. Oh that burns"
05-03-2009 , 08:48 AM
hey i cant find the pokercast freeroll in da lobby . i know itz under tourney>pirvate. bt i can see that toruney 3-4 days before the tourney day...it says "announced". but this time there iz no pokerstars invitional for pokercast listener over there? 3 or hours left may be.... will it be there soon ? or there iz some kind of problem? or my mistake?
05-03-2009 , 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by pieal
hey i cant find the pokercast freeroll in da lobby . i know itz under tourney>pirvate. bt i can see that toruney 3-4 days before the tourney day...it says "announced". but this time there iz no pokerstars invitional for pokercast listener over there? 3 or hours left may be.... will it be there soon ? or there iz some kind of problem? or my mistake?
You can register 3 hours before the tourny start.
05-03-2009 , 09:14 AM
Well usually we can see it before but that can be true too
05-03-2009 , 09:19 AM
FINALLY watched it. I've been sick. Good job guys. Waiting for next.

      
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