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Pokercast Episode 68 - Young Guns Special 2 with ADAM JUNGLEN & ANDREW LICHTENBERGER Pokercast Episode 68 - Young Guns Special 2 with ADAM JUNGLEN & ANDREW LICHTENBERGER

04-23-2009 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by mynameiswowo
i have to come back to this one for a big old LOL. yeah, i understand that if it's not on wikipedia it's not research-able. but hey, you guys did a "tribute" so it's all good, doesn't matter whether you knew anything.
I guess being a dick just wasn't good enough. Being perfect like you obviously are also gives you clearance to be a prick also.

edit
: Are you purposely trying to make this whole thing awkward? you made your point earlier.

Last edited by Mike Johnson; 04-23-2009 at 09:57 PM.
04-23-2009 , 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Douglas
I honestly don't understand why more people don't have laptops. I've peed in my fair share of bottles, but generally walk around the house with the laptop -- which also includes bathroom sitdowns.
I do play on a laptop. It's sweet cause I can take it outside, smoke a cigarette and enjoy the sunshine, and keep playing. I'm always scared someone is going to run up and jack it though.
04-23-2009 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by diddyeinstein
I do play on a laptop. It's sweet cause I can take it outside, smoke a cigarette and enjoy the sunshine, and keep playing. I'm always scared someone is going to run up and jack it though.
Under the gun steal, just cap preflop and you'll be fine IMO.
04-23-2009 , 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by diddyeinstein
I do play on a laptop. It's sweet cause I can take it outside, smoke a cigarette and enjoy the sunshine, and keep playing. I'm always scared someone is going to run up and jack it though.
Really? Where the hell do you live?

.. Actually my first day teaching at a college in Toronto, there was a security bulletin about a gun point laptop robbery in the student commons. I felt like Michelle Pfiefer from Dangerous Minds.
04-23-2009 , 09:00 PM
Chewy busted in 13th-- Pokercast jinx! He would've certainly won it if he wouldn't have given away all his secrets!
04-23-2009 , 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by aejones
Chewy busted in 13th-- Pokercast jinx! He would've certainly won it if he wouldn't have given away all his secrets!
I think it only works when Mike & Adam stay in Canada. MJ wandered off to Vegas. He probably took the Mojo with him.
04-23-2009 , 09:58 PM
GG chewy!! Brian Rast, our feature guest from Episode 65 is 6th with 10 remaining. One remaining chance for 'cast karma.
04-23-2009 , 11:51 PM
Bugles are the ****. I like to put them on my fingers like claws and eat them off.

Bugles strategy segments FTW.
04-24-2009 , 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by bigpc
Bugles are the ****. I like to put them on my fingers like claws and eat them off.

Bugles strategy segments FTW.
I think the only thing worse for you are:



Read the nutritional information, 1 g of fat per chip! At least they were during my undergrad days, before this whole "0 trans fat" stuff started.
04-24-2009 , 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Johnson
The Pokercast has succombed to Twitter-mania. I can now be found on Twitter as - 2p2Pokercast MikeJohnson.

Subscribe away! I will be sure to tweet what I choose to eat after I bust out of every tournament. For you, othermotte, I will have to tweet my 'favourite new band of the month'
Couldn't find you. I'm PokercastAdam.

The apocolypse must be close...
04-24-2009 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Douglas
I think the only thing worse for you are:



Read the nutritional information, 1 g of fat per chip! At least they were during my undergrad days, before this whole "0 trans fat" stuff started.
corn chips, technically a vegetable, any negative nutritional components are negated by this fact.
04-24-2009 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Johnson
I guess being a dick just wasn't good enough. Being perfect like you obviously are also gives you clearance to be a prick also.

edit
: Are you purposely trying to make this whole thing awkward? you made your point earlier.
good one...i'm a dick AND a prick (zomg feelings hurt). i made my point earlier, then you pointed it out wasn't researchable "all over the web." then i lol'ed at you. you're a clown, i never said i was perfect (lol), and i guess we can leave it there after your boys come rip on me some more.
04-24-2009 , 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by dogkicker666
Also DO NOT STALL WHILE HAND FOR HAND. THERE IS NO POINT. most people all ready know this but there are a few that don't.
Thats not correct though is it? H4H is one of the times where stalling can be exactly the correct play.

I'm awful at examples, but lets say you are on the bubble, and you have a very short stack - say 3bb. There are other short-stacks in the tournament but none as short as you although you are not far behind.

Now action folds around to you in mid position with KTo. You know that whatever you shove with you will be called (ie. no steal potential).

Now is a great time to stall. The objective being to see all action play out on the other tables before deciding to play or not. If there is an all-in on another table you can watch that play out. If a player gets knocked out, you fold and subsequently cash.

Thus, on H4H, if you are very short stacked and are only really concerned about making the money, stalling makes sense (as long as others are not doing exactly the same of course).
04-24-2009 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by mynameiswowo
good one...i'm a dick AND a prick (zomg feelings hurt). i made my point earlier, then you pointed it out wasn't researchable "all over the web." then i lol'ed at you. you're a clown, i never said i was perfect (lol), and i guess we can leave it there after your boys come rip on me some more.
I don't think anyone was ripping on you per se, but I think you have to agree it's a bit nervy to come on and start nit picking. It's hard for people to give you the benefit of the doubt with such a small post count and being a relative unknown. It's entirely possible people felt your tone was harsher than it read, which may or may not have been the case.

No one associated with the pokercast has ever made a statement about how they're always right, that they have never made a mistake (outside of poker and bunner with the ladies ) and that they can't admit their mistakes -- just the opposite. Besides, how is pointing out trivial mistakes all that helpful/constructive?

So calling someone a clown that really didn't fire back and wasn't trying to start **** is a DB move.

Let's just leave it at that and grow up a bit.

I don't really agree with stymying valid discussion, but if insults keep flying and conflict escalating there's no point in the keeping the thread open.
04-24-2009 , 03:07 PM
Leave MJ alone!
04-24-2009 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Barnfather
Thats not correct though is it? H4H is one of the times where stalling can be exactly the correct play.

I'm awful at examples, but lets say you are on the bubble, and you have a very short stack - say 3bb. There are other short-stacks in the tournament but none as short as you although you are not far behind.

Now action folds around to you in mid position with KTo. You know that whatever you shove with you will be called (ie. no steal potential).

Now is a great time to stall. The objective being to see all action play out on the other tables before deciding to play or not. If there is an all-in on another table you can watch that play out. If a player gets knocked out, you fold and subsequently cash.

Thus, on H4H, if you are very short stacked and are only really concerned about making the money, stalling makes sense (as long as others are not doing exactly the same of course).
yeah i meant if you know you are going to fold.
04-24-2009 , 08:04 PM
I like the idea of the ante/clock link, and I think at least online you could implement it throughout the entire tourney. Potentially you could charge an ante for activation of the time bank, and then again each 3 or 5 seconds, and max it out at 5 or 8 iterations. Something as exacting as this would obv not be necessary live because of the social pressure aspect that doesn't exist online.

-antes don't start at the beginning of a tourney, so obv the rule wouldn't go into effect until the antes do

-when antes first do come in, most players can afford to pay the ante to use their time banks.

-as blinds and antes get bigger, the incentive to act quickly increases for everyone

-if two big stacks get into it, its worth paying the clock ante to make a good decision.

-it doesn't disproportionately punish small stacks, since small stack decisions are often automatic anyway. A competent tourney player will probably never activate his time clock once his M gets below a certain number.

-clock antes that do get wagered encourage action.

-you could potentially slow down the structure a bit without extending the tourney because of the clock ante effect.

I see no downsides.
04-24-2009 , 08:19 PM
It's an interesting idea... So would this clock ante be added to the current pot, or the next hand? The next hand might be better, as you could fold and reclaim your ante. Adding it to the current pot gives a (very slight) disadvantage to folding.. Should the ante be live -- counting toward the call to make?
04-24-2009 , 09:57 PM
ali's story was awesome. sounds like he really holds back during PAD, or maybe hes just bored out of his mind
04-24-2009 , 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Douglas
It's an interesting idea... So would this clock ante be added to the current pot, or the next hand? The next hand might be better, as you could fold and reclaim your ante. Adding it to the current pot gives a (very slight) disadvantage to folding.. Should the ante be live -- counting toward the call to make?
Allowing a player to incur and then retrieve a clock ante would defeat the purpose, which is to incentiveize quick action from all players fairly. If you could reclaim clock antes by folding, then stalling wouldn't be disincentivised at all if you're going to fold anyway. Also, I think clock antes should not be "live" because then you could stall your way to all in if you were going to shove anyway.
04-24-2009 , 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Guruman
Allowing a player to incur and then retrieve a clock ante would defeat the purpose, which is to incentiveize quick action from all players fairly. If you could reclaim clock antes by folding, then stalling wouldn't be disincentivised at all if you're going to fold anyway. Also, I think clock antes should not be "live" because then you could stall your way to all in if you were going to shove anyway.
The idea of a progressive ante might also hurry them along. 1 x ante first clock invocation, 2 x the second and so on. The pre-clock period is just as much of a problem as the clock itself:

(decision time) -> warning -> ante -> (clock time).
04-25-2009 , 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Douglas
It's an interesting idea... So would this clock ante be added to the current pot, or the next hand? The next hand might be better, as you could fold and reclaim your ante. Adding it to the current pot gives a (very slight) disadvantage to folding.. Should the ante be live -- counting toward the call to make?
it should be added to the current pot, and subtracted from the player's available stack. eg if a player has 750 chips and incurs a 25 ante penalty for stalling, then if they go allin its only 725 to call. They can only reclaim their ante by calling/shoving AND winning the hand.

This discourages stalling & encourages action (slightly better odds) -- both of which should speed up the game (which is the goal).



The other idea is to automatically sit out a player who activates the time bank twice in the same orbit, and not allow them to sit in until after the next hand (bonus points if the client shows AA while forcing the shorty staller to open fold).
04-26-2009 , 02:12 AM
did adam really call heineken a good beer?
04-26-2009 , 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by rockforlight
did adam really call heineken a good beer?
Ya that should be clarified.

It's good when compared to say, Michelob, Coors or Kokanee.
04-26-2009 , 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by RML604
what about just hiding all of the other players stack sizes not at your table when there's like 5 or 10 people away from the bubble? You could hide the stack sizes in the lobby and make the other tables non-viewable by anyone not sitting at the table. That way, you couldn't watch the other people and you wouldn't have a good sense of how many people you had to outlast anyway.
that's probably the best suggestion itt. it's weird though.

i like sklanskly's idea taken to the extreme. give the first guy to bust after the bubble (top 15%) a penny, the 2nd guy a nickel, the 3rd guy a quarter, and gradually increase the prizes so the top 10% would still get their buy-in back.

      
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