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Old 10-21-2008, 07:13 AM   #1
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Pokercast Episode 44 - Patrik Antonius

Live from the Two Plus Two Studios - The wait is finally over! The feature guest this week on Pokercast is the great Patrik Antonius. Patrik comes on the program to discuss several topics including his recent move to Monaco, playing high stakes cash games and his latest appearance on Poker After Dark. Mike and Adam also talk some tournament news, forum static and of course give away the password for the October 26th Poker Stars VIP Club freeroll.



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Old 10-21-2008, 07:48 AM   #2
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first... everyone still sleeping?
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Old 10-21-2008, 09:39 AM   #3
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Why does it say on my Ipod that the release date is october 13 for this ?
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Old 10-21-2008, 10:22 AM   #4
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Why does it say on my Ipod that the release date is october 13 for this ?
I was wondering the same thing.
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Old 10-21-2008, 10:57 AM   #5
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Re: Pokercast Episode 44 - Patrik Antonius

I have to admit that I'm not in love with PA, so meh. The good thing about Italy is that they appear to have lifted the statewide block of pokerstars.com's website (and similar ones). Still not clear to me if it's legal to play there, though.
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Old 10-21-2008, 11:09 AM   #6
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Re: Pokercast Episode 44 - Patrik Antonius

About changing screen names... Cake Poker allows you to change your screen name once a month (or week? not sure anymore).
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Old 10-21-2008, 11:16 AM   #7
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About changing screen names... Cake Poker allows you to change your screen name once a month (or week? not sure anymore).
Yeah thats a nice option but I'd rather like a three months period instead. That way it can resemble live poker in an okay way in that you can get good reads on regulars with new screen names in a few weeks and use these reads for a while, but the changing of screen names further helps the anonymity of the specific person. It also makes sites such as OPR and tableratings less useful.
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Old 10-21-2008, 11:39 AM   #8
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About changing screen names... Cake Poker allows you to change your screen name once a month (or week? not sure anymore).
its once a week.
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Old 10-21-2008, 11:46 AM   #9
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yeah i play cakepoker and it is once per week
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Old 10-21-2008, 11:52 AM   #10
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Much like ultimatebet has/had?
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Old 10-21-2008, 11:53 AM   #11
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Re: Pokercast Episode 44 - Patrik Antonius

This feature of Cake makes me wonder why they still prevent the use of softwares like PT. I can understand them not wanting people to get stats on other players, but I'd love to be able to use PT to track my own results, review my play etc etc.
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Old 10-21-2008, 12:11 PM   #12
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This feature of Cake makes me wonder why they still prevent the use of softwares like PT. I can understand them not wanting people to get stats on other players, but I'd love to be able to use PT to track my own results, review my play etc etc.
i dont think u can only look at all or not all i think these should be baned everywhere if u cant do it in your head than your sol or thats how it should be. but im anginst ppl changing thier names.
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Old 10-21-2008, 01:04 PM   #13
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i dont think u can only look at all or not all i think these should be baned everywhere if u cant do it in your head than your sol or thats how it should be. but im anginst ppl changing thier names.
It would be easy for Cake (or any other site) to write the hand history with only the seat number instead of players name for every other players than yourself. No matter what you think about PT as a tool to track other people, you have to admit that as a tool to track your results and to review your own play and learn from your mistake, it's hard to beat.
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Old 10-21-2008, 01:22 PM   #14
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Re: Pokercast Episode 44 - Patrik Antonius

OMG PA.
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Old 10-21-2008, 01:29 PM   #15
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im looking foward to the Stu Hunger rembenace show
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Old 10-21-2008, 01:46 PM   #16
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Re: Pokercast Episode 44 - Patrik Antonius

I'm spinning my wheels with DS's blackjack example.

Disclaimer: I know next to nothing about blackjack.

One question, is DS assumed to be playing "stand on 17".

Two situations:
- Offered a proposition where DS has 9 showing, against two 10s, but you must split the tens. I understand why it's the wrong play, but why is it profitable? The extra won from naturals on the split?

- Offered a proposition where a dealer has a known 17, against 11, profitable to double down, but wrong. Wrong because you're less likely to beat 17 with a single card, but profitable because you'll make twice when you make your hand, and that offers better odds than not making your hand?

Sorry if my logic's a bit convoluted.

I guess the bottom line is that you're getting the odds to take the above actions, despite it being considered a foolish play?
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Old 10-21-2008, 02:59 PM   #17
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OMG i am spanking right now..

thank you god
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Old 10-21-2008, 04:49 PM   #18
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why isn't PA playing with a laptop? Playing with one hand while peeing is a pretty standard imo. Multi-tabling you gotta pee sitting down though...
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Old 10-21-2008, 07:01 PM   #19
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wat?
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Old 10-21-2008, 09:41 PM   #20
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Re: Pokercast Episode 44 - Patrik Antonius

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I'm spinning my wheels with DS's blackjack example.

Disclaimer: I know next to nothing about blackjack.

One question, is DS assumed to be playing "stand on 17".

Two situations:
- Offered a proposition where DS has 9 showing, against two 10s, but you must split the tens. I understand why it's the wrong play, but why is it profitable? The extra won from naturals on the split?
It is profitable to split tens against a 9 if the only other alternative is not playing the hand seems to be the point.

- Offered a proposition where a dealer has a known 17, against 11, profitable to double down, but wrong. Wrong because you're less likely to beat 17 with a single card, but profitable because you'll make twice when you make your hand, and that offers better odds than not making your hand?
Since you know the dealer's final hand, not doubling let's you play optimally against him.
If you double, there are 13 outcomes (2-A, assume all equally likely)
5 (A-5)you lose $2
1 (6) push
7 you win $2
So your overall EV (I think) is $0.31.

If you don't double, you still have equity in the five outcomes where you would have lost had you doubled (ie, if an ace-5 comes). For instance, if the ace came giving you 12, you wouldn't lose $2. In fact, you would have 4 chances out of 13 to win $2; any 9,8,7,6 would give you the win, 5 for the push. The math is way too complicated for me to calculate your overall EV in this case, but it is higher than if you doubled.

Sorry if my logic's a bit convoluted.

I guess the bottom line is that you're getting the odds to take the above actions, despite it being considered a foolish play?
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Old 10-21-2008, 09:59 PM   #21
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It is profitable to split tens against a 9 if the only other alternative is not playing the hand seems to be the point.
So the choice is between losing your original bet by forfeiting or making an unprofitable play but keeping some equity? I see the poker connection now. I didn't see the forfeit scenario, I thought it had to do with a slight edge in EV.

The second point I understand and agree with.

Thanks nate.
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Old 10-21-2008, 11:21 PM   #22
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Re: Pokercast Episode 44 - Patrik Antonius

[x] Great poker player
[x] Unfreaking believably boring (typical Fin)
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Old 10-22-2008, 12:02 AM   #23
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Re: Pokercast Episode 44 - Patrik Antonius

On cake even with a name change notes stay. I like this system. Ill mark PA as PA
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Old 10-22-2008, 12:39 AM   #24
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So the choice is between losing your original bet by forfeiting or making an unprofitable play but keeping some equity? I see the poker connection now. I didn't see the forfeit scenario, I thought it had to do with a slight edge in EV.

The second point I understand and agree with.

Thanks nate.
I don't think there is a forfeit scenario where you would lose your original bet. If you choose not to play, you don't win or lose anything; you're even. If you choose to play the hand, you have to, according to this scenario, split your tens. Playing two hands starting with a ten against the dealer's 9 will be profitable, so you should choose to play the hand rather than not play at all. Even though playing the hand and not splitting the tens would be the most profitable play, it is not an option in this scenario.
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Old 10-22-2008, 02:47 AM   #25
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I don't think there is a forfeit scenario where you would lose your original bet. If you choose not to play, you don't win or lose anything; you're even. If you choose to play the hand, you have to, according to this scenario, split your tens. Playing two hands starting with a ten against the dealer's 9 will be profitable, so you should choose to play the hand rather than not play at all. Even though playing the hand and not splitting the tens would be the most profitable play, it is not an option in this scenario.
OK, gotcha. I failed to recognize profit from splitting the 10s. In my weak/half-baked understanding of BJ, I saw it as -EV. Now I follow..
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