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Pokercast Episode 39 - Howard Lederer, BryanS & Taylor Caby Pokercast Episode 39 - Howard Lederer, BryanS & Taylor Caby

09-10-2008 , 11:39 AM
Dam Bunner .... That is one vicious fight wound .... Just trying to figure out what the hell attacked you
09-10-2008 , 11:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cangurino
This made me realize that cookie's solution and mine differ. Here's what I do.
I've got a program which tests this solution, and it's working every possibility for 2 through 8 players. 9 is taking a while, due to the escalating number of trails.

However: Could you explain why this will work? I'm not really getting the why of this.
09-10-2008 , 12:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tunaman3000
{spoil}Solution{/spoil}

when you are typing your response, replace { with [ and } with ]
if you want to do it rite use [ ] these. and aroud spoil at the end type/spoil like this [/spoil]
09-10-2008 , 02:09 PM
Yeah, what I wrote was wrong, Cangurino has the correct answer though...

Took a guess before I was done because it seemed like Cangurino was close :-)

Spoiler:
To elaborate on what Cangurino wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modular_arithmetic

we'll use this % as the modulo sign for now...

We have an equation ()

sum(all hat numbers) % n = [0, 1,....,n-2, n-1] (meaning this number can be anywhere between 0 and n-1, and there is n different numbers here)

So if you know the total sum and do % n you get a number, S. But if you have all other hats

sum(other hats) and you know what S is supposed to be you can calculate the number of your hat.

with 5 people S can be one of the numbers 0, 1, 2, 3, 4. Thus we give each person a value S, easiest is giving n1(person 1): S = n-1 (n still being total persons).

So one of the persons will always have the right value of S thus being able to solve what his own hat numbers is correctly.

Lets say S = 3 happens to be right here. (Remember with 5 people S will ALWAYS be between 0 and 4 and we only use whole numbers /integers)

Guy4 looks at other hats and sum it up to 14.

14 % 5 = 4, he needs S to be 3 thus his own hat is 4

18 % 5 = 3.

Not sure if it made it any clearer... beautiful problem and solution imo...
09-10-2008 , 07:38 PM
That was a looooong time you let Howard go on trying to convince us to vote for Obama, when the reason Howard wants us to vote for Obama obviously has nothing to do with online poker.
09-10-2008 , 07:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tunaman3000
Problem #2 was, "Why are all manhole covers round?"

Manhole cover:
Spoiler:
Manhole cover are placed over shafts that lead into underground tunnels. Imagine if you had a square cover, it could be dropped accidentally down the hole. Apparently there is a city that used triangular manhole covers however the problem still exists - someone with butterfingers could drop the cover down the hole. Round covers ensure that due to the diameter of the cover it cannot be dropped down the hole. There are other issues such as protection from sharp edges, autos, etc, but this is the key reason.
09-10-2008 , 07:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LozColbert
That was a looooong time you let Howard go on trying to convince us to vote for Obama, when the reason Howard wants us to vote for Obama obviously has nothing to do with online poker.
Howard is associated with the PPA, the PPA's leader is a republican. The PPA supports Obama and is anti-fundamentalist republican due to their anti-poker stance. Lets not go overboard with assumptions, his talk about presidential politics also mentioned that Obama's ticket probably won't address poker either.
09-10-2008 , 07:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cookie
Yeah, what I wrote was wrong, Cangurino has the correct answer though...

Took a guess before I was done because it seemed like Cangurino was close :-)

Spoiler:
To elaborate on what Cangurino wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modular_arithmetic

we'll use this % as the modulo sign for now...

We have an equation ()

sum(all hat numbers) % n = [0, 1,....,n-2, n-1] (meaning this number can be anywhere between 0 and n-1, and there is n different numbers here)

So if you know the total sum and do % n you get a number, S. But if you have all other hats

sum(other hats) and you know what S is supposed to be you can calculate the number of your hat.

with 5 people S can be one of the numbers 0, 1, 2, 3, 4. Thus we give each person a value S, easiest is giving n1(person 1): S = n-1 (n still being total persons).

So one of the persons will always have the right value of S thus being able to solve what his own hat numbers is correctly.

Lets say S = 3 happens to be right here. (Remember with 5 people S will ALWAYS be between 0 and 4 and we only use whole numbers /integers)

Guy4 looks at other hats and sum it up to 14.

14 % 5 = 4, he needs S to be 3 thus his own hat is 4

18 % 5 = 3.

Not sure if it made it any clearer... beautiful problem and solution imo...
I understand the concept of the method for the solution, just struggling with actually figuring it out and using your maths.
09-10-2008 , 07:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by *TT*
Spoiler:
Manhole cover are placed over shafts that lead into underground tunnels. Imagine if you had a square cover, it could be dropped accidentally down the hole. Apparently there is a city that used triangular manhole covers however the problem still exists - someone with butterfingers could drop the cover down the hole. Round covers ensure that due to the diameter of the cover it cannot be dropped down the hole. There are other issues such as protection from sharp edges, autos, etc, but this is the key reason.
ahhhhhhh
09-10-2008 , 08:02 PM
Great job on #3 Cang and Cookie, very well done.
09-10-2008 , 08:50 PM
#3
Spoiler:
Assign one person in the group to be Person A. Person A shall always guess his number correctly. Before the game begins, all participants other than A will agree to observe the number on A's hat. A will stand in the center of the room. Everyone will agree to stand close to A in a number than equals the number on A's hat. Or do something that separates them apart from the group. Basically, they all agree to be "counters" for A. A can then be guaranteed to guess correctly 100% of the time. In the case that A's hat reads 0, everyone turns their back to A.
09-10-2008 , 09:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by *TT*
Spoiler:
Manhole cover are placed over shafts that lead into underground tunnels. Imagine if you had a square cover, it could be dropped accidentally down the hole. Apparently there is a city that used triangular manhole covers however the problem still exists - someone with butterfingers could drop the cover down the hole. Round covers ensure that due to the diameter of the cover it cannot be dropped down the hole. There are other issues such as protection from sharp edges, autos, etc, but this is the key reason.
My answer was about the same but you are such an eloquent son of a gun.
09-10-2008 , 09:26 PM
he says the pokercast freeroll is on august 14th.....im sure he means september....right???
09-10-2008 , 09:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KrisKringles
he says the pokercast freeroll is on august 14th.....im sure he means september....right???
He must have been working off of the Canadian calendar.
09-10-2008 , 09:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KrisKringles
he says the pokercast freeroll is on august 14th.....im sure he means september....right???
just doing anything i can to get an edge. The password is also completely wrong. j/k. Sept 14th it is.
09-10-2008 , 11:10 PM
Answer to question on pokercast.

divide the billiard balls into 3 groups. 3+3+2
place the 2 groups of 3 on the scale. either scale is even, or one side is lower. if even, then you just way the other 2.
If one side is heavier, then just weigh two of those. by elimination, you have the heavier ball.
09-10-2008 , 11:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by I vi ii V7
#3
Spoiler:
Assign one person in the group to be Person A. Person A shall always guess his number correctly. Before the game begins, all participants other than A will agree to observe the number on A's hat. A will stand in the center of the room. Everyone will agree to stand close to A in a number than equals the number on A's hat. Or do something that separates them apart from the group. Basically, they all agree to be "counters" for A. A can then be guaranteed to guess correctly 100% of the time. In the case that A's hat reads 0, everyone turns their back to A.
thats cheating he said u cant move.
09-10-2008 , 11:15 PM
ok bringing the gimmick back.
09-10-2008 , 11:15 PM
wat
09-11-2008 , 12:01 AM
congrats guys, really enjoyed listening to the podcast this week.
my head is wrecked and i will have to retire my brain for another day, as it is taking too much time for me to even attempt these puzzles.
09-11-2008 , 12:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dangeraw
thats cheating he said u cant move.
What? I thought he just said you could not signal (point, make facial movements, make blinks indicating communication, etc)?
09-11-2008 , 12:34 AM
This was the first of the pokercasts I've listened to thans to figuring out that I can DL them to my iPod. difficulty of problems 2>1. I would never get 3 ever. I read the solution but have no idea how it works. I quit math after calc 2.
09-11-2008 , 12:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by I vi ii V7
What? I thought he just said you could not signal (point, make facial movements, make blinks indicating communication, etc)?
all u can do is stare.
09-11-2008 , 02:59 AM
Found counterexamples to the modular #3 solutions...

{0, 2, 2} for cookie's

{1, 1, 2} for Cangurino's

Anyone verify?
09-11-2008 , 04:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by loc2k
Found counterexamples to the modular #3 solutions...

{0, 2, 2} for cookie's

{1, 1, 2} for Cangurino's

Anyone verify?
Works for me...

BTW, is there a list of markup codes that can be used here?
Cheers

Spoiler:

Let's see if we solve {1,1,2}

0: (0-1-2)%3 = (-3)%3 = 0 -> wrong
1: (1-1-2)%3 = (-2)%3 = 1 -> right
2: (2-1-1)%3 = 0%3 = 0 -> wrong

The following is maybe easier to execute (but equivalent mathematically)

n is the number of players
k is the number assigned to you a priori
1) Take the sum of the numbers you see;
2) Subtract k;
3) Take remainder with respect to n;
4) Subtract from n (unless the result was 0; in that case just guess 0);
5) Take the result as your guess.

So, Player 1 in this case does

1) sum is 3;
2) 3-1 = 2;
3) 2%3 = 2;
4) 3-2 = 1
5) guess is 1

Last edited by Cangurino; 09-11-2008 at 04:40 AM. Reason: fixed a bug

      
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