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Pokercast Episode 22 - Barry Greenstein Pokercast Episode 22 - Barry Greenstein

05-07-2008 , 03:19 PM
Very enjoyable show. I look forward every week to listening in.
05-07-2008 , 04:42 PM
Barry, as always, was an A+ guest.
05-07-2008 , 06:28 PM
Thanks to the support for those who liked it. Before an interview I always try to prepare some of what I am going to say, which was greatly helped by having questions in the Pokercast forum. Unfortunately, that seems to increase my rambling as I scramble to hit everything I thought about earlier.

I might have been too smooth on the Phil Laak thing, judging by the muted response, or maybe not enough people had gotten wind of it. I only picked up on it an hour before the show, when I stumbled on a refererence to it when I searched for my name. I thought that was going to be the knockout punch. (If you listen closely, you can hear I was cracking up as I delivered the line.)

Barry
05-07-2008 , 06:43 PM
What is the story between Phil and Barry? Can anyone fill me in plz?
05-07-2008 , 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by barryg1
Thanks to the support for those who liked it. Before an interview I always try to prepare some of what I am going to say, which was greatly helped by having questions in the Pokercast forum. Unfortunately, that seems to increase my rambling as I scramble to hit everything I thought about earlier.

I might have been too smooth on the Phil Laak thing, judging by the muted response, or maybe not enough people had gotten wind of it. I only picked up on it an hour before the show, when I stumbled on a refererence to it when I searched for my name. I thought that was going to be the knockout punch. (If you listen closely, you can hear I was cracking up as I delivered the line.)

Barry
Barry, you still haven't explained this! WTF!!!
(no love for the jackhigh hotel cam? )

05-07-2008 , 08:53 PM
Too bad he didnt' talk about 2+2er Foucault busting him in last years WSOP: http://www.thinkingpoker.net/WSOP2007TR.html
05-07-2008 , 09:48 PM
Barry has certainly changed since his WPT win in Tunica in season 2. He looked like the most shy and uncomfortable person ever on TV in that episode.
05-07-2008 , 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by React1oN
Please have more 2 hour shows.
Helps that Barry likes 2+2 and made the time for it, thx again Dr. Greenstein
05-07-2008 , 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by tedtodd
Too bad he didnt' talk about 2+2er Foucault busting him in last years WSOP: http://www.thinkingpoker.net/WSOP2007TR.html
So that's what he writes in there, cool.
05-08-2008 , 12:34 AM
hey, great show but...

Adam why did you cut Barry off when he was about to explain the reason he 'can't' get in the game with Kenny Tran at the commerce??

I was looking forward to hearing the answer and then you asked him about stud....


other than that, great interview!!
05-08-2008 , 01:43 AM
Probably no one else will say this but I find Barry Greenstein a strange combination of benefactor and arrogance. Listening to him, it is remarkable how comfortable he is with putting down associates skills and accomplishments while elevating his own and taking every little credit for every little thing - he always does everything 1st, best and to the begging of associates who couldn't do it without him - "Ivey a Donkey.... needing his coaching to win".

Listening to him reminds me of Rudy Giuliani running all over Manhattan saying how he "saved" Manhattan and what a hero he was on 9/11. I thought about it for a minute and it occurred to me I had never, ever seen a real hero, regardless the magnitude of verifiable, personal bravery be the main proponent of that dialog - real heroes are never short of others who extoll their greatness.

I was struck by some things he said during a TV game, reminded while listening to the PokerCast.

Merlin333
05-08-2008 , 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Merlin333
Probably no one else will say this but I find Barry Greenstein a strange combination of benefactor and arrogance. Listening to him, it is remarkable how comfortable he is with putting down associates skills and accomplishments while elevating his own and taking every little credit for every little thing - he always does everything 1st, best and to the begging of associates who couldn't do it without him - "Ivey a Donkey.... needing his coaching to win".

Listening to him reminds me of Rudy Giuliani running all over Manhattan saying how he "saved" Manhattan and what a hero he was on 9/11. I thought about it for a minute and it occurred to me I had never, ever seen a real hero, regardless the magnitude of verifiable, personal bravery be the main proponent of that dialog - real heroes are never short of others who extoll their greatness.

I was struck by some things he said during a TV game, reminded while listening to the PokerCast.

Merlin333
There's some truth here. Barry is good for poker and good for playing with 2p2, but there's no doubt that he's arrogant. Having a big ego probably helps you in poker. People here appreciate that Barry took the time and trouble to talk to 2p2, and they'll cut him some slack on his weaknesses.
05-08-2008 , 06:54 AM
great interview.. one minor gripe; you guys seemed to try to want to curtail his rambling to some extent.. It's BarryG, let him ramble 240 minutes and it would still be your most listened to podcast.
05-08-2008 , 07:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin333
Probably no one else will say this but I find Barry Greenstein a strange combination of benefactor and arrogance. Listening to him, it is remarkable how comfortable he is with putting down associates skills and accomplishments while elevating his own and taking every little credit for every little thing - he always does everything 1st, best and to the begging of associates who couldn't do it without him - "Ivey a Donkey.... needing his coaching to win".
Merlin333
I don't want to speak for Barry but I'm sure the ivey thing was a joke (at least I'm 99% sure it was).

He said that his coaching of Mimi confused here and probably cost her money.

It all sounded pretty standard messing about just like you would with your friends.
05-08-2008 , 07:47 AM
Nice interview as usual Barry. I bet you're that guy who is soooo hard to get off the phone with right? We all know someone like that and I mean no disrespect at all , it's quite obvious you're like the energizer bunny once you get going...always interesting and entertaining to listen to though.

GL at the series this year.
05-08-2008 , 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by I Gotta Push
great interview.. one minor gripe; you guys seemed to try to want to curtail his rambling to some extent.. It's BarryG, let him ramble 240 minutes and it would still be your most listened to podcast.
I agree. It was a little rude of you guys to give off "ending interview vibes".

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Originally Posted by ipp147
I don't want to speak for Barry but I'm sure the ivey thing was a joke (at least I'm 99% sure it was).

He said that his coaching of Mimi confused here and probably cost her money.

It all sounded pretty standard messing about just like you would with your friends.
That's the way I saw it too.
05-08-2008 , 07:50 AM
Great show
05-08-2008 , 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by barryg1
I might have been too smooth on the Phil Laak thing, judging by the muted response, or maybe not enough people had gotten wind of it. I only picked up on it an hour before the show, when I stumbled on a refererence to it when I searched for my name. I thought that was going to be the knockout punch. (If you listen closely, you can hear I was cracking up as I delivered the line.)

Barry
I loved that part and I literaly laughed out loud received puzzled looks from my coworkers.
05-08-2008 , 02:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin333
Probably no one else will say this but I find Barry Greenstein a strange combination of benefactor and arrogance. Listening to him, it is remarkable how comfortable he is with putting down associates skills and accomplishments while elevating his own and taking every little credit for every little thing - he always does everything 1st, best and to the begging of associates who couldn't do it without him - "Ivey a Donkey.... needing his coaching to win".

Listening to him reminds me of Rudy Giuliani running all over Manhattan saying how he "saved" Manhattan and what a hero he was on 9/11. I thought about it for a minute and it occurred to me I had never, ever seen a real hero, regardless the magnitude of verifiable, personal bravery be the main proponent of that dialog - real heroes are never short of others who extoll their greatness.

I was struck by some things he said during a TV game, reminded while listening to the PokerCast.

Merlin333
I never shy away when my personality or actions are criticized. Even if the criticism comes from someone whom I don’t respect, I still think it is worth evaluating. Just like we improve our poker games by first deciding if we made a mistake and then figuring out what we should do differently in the future, I think we can improve our personalities by similar analysis.

When you are with friends and you say something positive about yourself, you assume that they know who you are and realize that you are not always bringing up things to try to elevate your status. In the poker community, I assume I am around friends when I speak. I assume that they have heard me talk about poker and they especially know, for instance, when I discuss poker hands I usually talk about mistakes I have made, rather than my successes.

Most poker players who listen to me know that because I am part of the old guard, I have stories to tell that give a perspective that they don’t have. If some of the people whom I mention reported that my stories weren’t true, then I would lose credibility.

I am a part of a group of people, poker players, who play by rules and place a high value on honor. It is an incorrect guess that I might be like a politician who lost credibility when the people doing the real work diminished his involvement.

I think the problem here is clear from your criticism of me calling Phil Ivey and Patrick Antonius donkeys. If you really thought I was serious, then it is hard to consider you to be objective, because you are not on the proper wavelength to interpret what I am talking about. You are coming from an antagonistic position and looking to nitpick at things I say. I hope my friends understood me better.


Barry
05-08-2008 , 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by barryg1
I never shy away when my personality or actions are criticized. Even if the criticism comes from someone whom I don’t respect...
pwned

I still think the bear lied about not having yellow fever FWIW.
05-08-2008 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by GrinningBuddha
Sweet Jebus, 2 hours and 15 minutes? It's the Lord of the Rings of the podcasts!

Lol, but it was worth it. Loled at the Phil Laak reference too.

Watched the 2 to 7 event from 2004 and it was weird watching Barry pre Beard. Always keep the beard!
05-08-2008 , 05:00 PM
cheers for posting on here barry
05-08-2008 , 05:21 PM
a great show from barry as usual.

ship it crucial.
05-08-2008 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Merlin333
Probably no one else will say this but I find Barry Greenstein a strange combination of benefactor and arrogance. Listening to him, it is remarkable how comfortable he is with putting down associates skills and accomplishments while elevating his own and taking every little credit for every little thing - he always does everything 1st, best and to the begging of associates who couldn't do it without him - "Ivey a Donkey.... needing his coaching to win".
I've never got that impression. In reading his book (which you should buy if you haven't - great read, gorgeous photos, and sounds like Barry needs a few more sales), I'd say the opposite.
05-08-2008 , 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by JJRollGrowin
So that's what he writes in there, cool.
Yeah-the link shows what Barry writes in the book after getting busted. This wasn't an interesting hand. QQ<AA. But awesome of him to do anyways.

      
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