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Originally Posted by Merlin333
Probably no one else will say this but I find Barry Greenstein a strange combination of benefactor and arrogance. Listening to him, it is remarkable how comfortable he is with putting down associates skills and accomplishments while elevating his own and taking every little credit for every little thing - he always does everything 1st, best and to the begging of associates who couldn't do it without him - "Ivey a Donkey.... needing his coaching to win".
Listening to him reminds me of Rudy Giuliani running all over Manhattan saying how he "saved" Manhattan and what a hero he was on 9/11. I thought about it for a minute and it occurred to me I had never, ever seen a real hero, regardless the magnitude of verifiable, personal bravery be the main proponent of that dialog - real heroes are never short of others who extoll their greatness.
I was struck by some things he said during a TV game, reminded while listening to the PokerCast.
Merlin333
I never shy away when my personality or actions are criticized. Even if the criticism comes from someone whom I don’t respect, I still think it is worth evaluating. Just like we improve our poker games by first deciding if we made a mistake and then figuring out what we should do differently in the future, I think we can improve our personalities by similar analysis.
When you are with friends and you say something positive about yourself, you assume that they know who you are and realize that you are not always bringing up things to try to elevate your status. In the poker community, I assume I am around friends when I speak. I assume that they have heard me talk about poker and they especially know, for instance, when I discuss poker hands I usually talk about mistakes I have made, rather than my successes.
Most poker players who listen to me know that because I am part of the old guard, I have stories to tell that give a perspective that they don’t have. If some of the people whom I mention reported that my stories weren’t true, then I would lose credibility.
I am a part of a group of people, poker players, who play by rules and place a high value on honor. It is an incorrect guess that I might be like a politician who lost credibility when the people doing the real work diminished his involvement.
I think the problem here is clear from your criticism of me calling Phil Ivey and Patrick Antonius donkeys. If you really thought I was serious, then it is hard to consider you to be objective, because you are not on the proper wavelength to interpret what I am talking about. You are coming from an antagonistic position and looking to nitpick at things I say. I hope my friends understood me better.
Barry