Hmmm, I can't get to www.twoplustwo.com on that computer, but I can get to the forums.

It's trying to connect using https and says thats not available.

It's using http for the forums, weird.

Installed Chrome, it works in Chrome.

I just got to download 30 episodes! And I didn't get the error message anymore. Looks good, thanks!

Hey Chuck, Stitcher isn't working past 469 either: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/two-plus-two-pokercast

+1

I use Gpodder to subscribe to podcasts to play them in antennapod on Android, so basically the same setup as nobody. Just got duplicates of all the recent podcasts show up as undownloaded. Something you guys did did something. I never have had issues before, so I could see every episode. Now I see two of every episode. No problem, just wanted to share the data point.

Yeah, when I opened Podcasts on my iPhone today, all episodes going back to like August 2016 started downloading

Annoying but glad it's working for those of whom it wasn't

I did do it that night! Get ready for the trainwreck that is my sheep answer strat.

Not available on Stitcher in Ireland (177 miles from Kells) like the previous one

I'm with TChan on the "mucked hand" ruling, maybe going further. The guy miscalled his hand with intention of inducing a fold. That's cheating. It isn't gamesmanship. It isn't anything other than stealing the pot. The floor should look for this in every decision, "is someone here actively trying to cheat?" If so, they shouldn't reward it. The guy claimed the nut full house, to most reasonable people. Even 10's up would be a lie. He has a ten, like Terrence said. "I have a pair of 10's" claims a full house, which he didn't have. When proven to be a liar, he tried to use casino rules to steal the pot. The minor mistake in pushing cards forward is punished while the actual thief gets most of a pot? That's wrong. You can't have a room where the technical rules of card/chip handling are more important than mis-declaring your hand to rob a full pot. Sure, this guy was cagey enough to do it in a way he could claim that it was a mistake later.

You guys are both completely correct that holding on to your hand until the dealer verifies the villain's holding is as claimed is the defense. It sadly screws up the game, but that's your only choice. There was some San Francisco casino (AJs?) that had the rule that if you declared a hand and couldn't produce that or better, your hand was dead. That's the one fix. So if a guy claims a straight and only has a pair, he can't win. There are probably some angles there, as well.

I watched him play for the Suns!



He once scored 60 points in a game!

https://www.basketball-reference.com...003240PHO.html

That dunk is so insane

Okay, own up to it... who had the nose whistle throughout Elton's interview?

Oops, forgot the actual reason I came here to post.

You guys were talking about the betting line that is often marked on the table at California casinos. But isn't that ONLY for betting? That is, when your chips cross that line, it constitutes a bet (or raise)? Best as I can recall, it does not designate a point where your cards have been mucked. I could be wrong on that, though.

Speaking of marked betting lines, I see people using it to angle all of the time at Thunder Valley (Lincoln, Calif.). There is a boldly drawn yellow oval at the center of their tables. Their rule is that any chips that cross this plane are considered part of the bet unless you declared otherwise. They even remind you when you first sit down. So if you pump-fake and your chips move into that zone, you'll get held to that bet. If you're cutting out chips to size your next bet, do it behind that line or it's considered a bet. Et cetera.

So suppose a player is facing a $20 bet. He reaches out with a stack of, say, ten $5 chips in his hand. He cuts out four such chips on the table as if just to call, then pulls the remaining six back in his hand. To make it even sneakier, he might even say "I'll just call" but AFTER his hand has crossed the line.

The dealer dutifully will advise the player of the house rules. "Sir, you already crossed the betting line with those chips, so they all have to go into the pot. Thus, that's now a raise to $50." Inevitably, that player will put up a mild stink about how he just meant to call, how that rule sucks or is taken too literally, etc. And sure, his complaints seem reasonable enough except that a) this is the fourth time he's done it in the past hour, and b) he ends up showing down the stone nuts.

I especially see it in the limit cash games, since it's easier to sell it as an "accident." The funny thing is that I once called out a guy for doing it, that he was being shady, only to be admonished by other players. (According to them, those kinds of tricks are part of the fun of poker.)

At Commerce I've heard several floormen explain that it is *not* a betting line. Their response to the question "what's it for then" (usually asked by some dbag who is used to using a pump fake angle at his home cardroom) is that it tells you how far to toss your cards so the dealer can reach them.

That may sound silly, but it actually gives them a rule they can point to when some ******* who blames the dealer for all his misfortunes repeatedly folds his cards out of reach of the dealer. Yes, these people exist, especially at min. bet poker, and they are one the thing that makes live poker unpleasant. The dealer isn't supposed to have to stand up to reach folded cards.

iTunes download still not working for me. I've even tried to unsubscribe and resubscribe. Not sure what I can do at this point. Maybe my days of listening to the Pokercast are done?

You should be able to download the podcast from the direct link, you can drop that file on your ITunes window.

http://pokercast.s3.amazonaws.com/twoplustwo_471.mp3

Someone started a thread as this is crossing episodes.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/9...blems-1686552/

Wow, interesting... thanks for that. So then it's quite possible that line would also determine if a hand is folded/dead, even if it's retrievable?

It's really saying something that every thread about poor etiquette, angle-shooting or flat-out cheating will almost certainly contain a post to the effect of "this is nothing, happens daily in L.A." I'm getting the impression that the most loathsome, miserable people in the world are Southern California poker regs.

I'd originally addressed this above and edited it out. I should have gone with my gut. No. It's not a magic line of irretrievability. I've seen cards that were over that line and had physically touched the muck (another magical event that a player who can't beat that hand likes to invoke), but were otherwise identifiable beyond doubt, retrieved and tabled.

I'd say Los Angeles is the worst overall of places I've played, but Commerce seems to attract more than its fair share of problem players. There are some rooms that take bad behavior seriously. Hustler comes to mind in that regard. The room sets the tone, and I've gone on this rant in the Los Angeles and Commerce threads a few times, so I won't rehash it here.

That said, I haven't played any of the Indian casinos, and at Oceans 11 only a couple times, so I can't say all SoCal poker rooms are as bad as LA. Also, it only takes one player at a table to ruin your experience. It's not like you sit down at Commerce and the other 8 players are all *******s. But unfortunately you are practically guaranteed to get one or two, and that's too many.

Also, factor in that I mostly play LHE, and as the guys have joked on the show, they may just be a more miserable lot in general.

Gday,
Back listening and playing after a few years off because of life getting in the way.
That Elton Tsang interview was the tits. Great to hear about the Macau games and the brain bleeds. It would be good if we hear Leons side but i doubt that will happen. Glad the Pokercast is still rocking.

ITunes not working from Windows 10. Just noticed today there was episode 470 and 471. Can use alternate download but this issue should be fixed soon if you do not want to lose listeners.

Yeppers. Listened to 470 from 2+2 site and will try/listen again 2+2 for 471.

What the hell are those that he is knocking off the table. I see it is next to a coffee pot. They are hollow cylinders. I have no idea what use those could have in a kitchen other than a movie prop.

Not sure they are hollow. Coffee serving trays?

(Ninja) Edit. Nevermind. https://movies.stackexchange.com/que...in-the-shining

"Aluminium plate rings, used for separating dinner plates between plating up & serving; keeps the food warmer for longer.

Plate rings have a characteristic bottom lip which will 'hook' over the plate beneath, & sloped or slightly curving sides, to meet the moulded ring on the underside of the plate stacked above, preventing slippage.
They may have lids, though more usually another empty plate would be placed on top."

Whats the name of book Tom Chambers spoke about working on in this episode?