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Old 05-28-2018, 07:18 PM   #1
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Old 05-28-2018, 07:40 PM   #2
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Re: **2+2 WSOP FANTASY LEAGUE - SWEAT THREAD**

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Old 05-28-2018, 07:42 PM   #3
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Re: **2+2 WSOP FANTASY LEAGUE - SWEAT THREAD**

What players were drafted most?

PlayerDrafted Frequency
Stephen Chidwick22
Justin Bonomo20
Benny Glaser12
Phil Ivey12
Michael Mizrachi11
Alan Ari Engel10
Robert Mizrachi 10
Brandon Shack-Harris9
Darryll Fish9
Dzmitry Urbanovich8
Paul Volpe8
Eli Elezra7
Bryn Kenney6
Daniel Negreanu6
David Benyamine6
Maria Ho6
Matt Glantz6
Ralph Porter6
Scott Clements6
Shane Calvin Anderson6
Adrian Mateos5
Joseph Cheong5
Jonathan Duhamel5
Todd Brunson5
Almedin Imsirovic4
Chris Klodnicki4
Davidi Kitai4
Jeff Lisandro4
Matt Grapenthien4
Melanie Weisner4
Nick Schulman4
Phil Hellmuth4
Randy Ohel4
Ryan Laplante4
Adam Owen3
Bart Hanson3
Christopher Kruk4
Dan Shak3
Daniel Strelitz3
David Peters3
Dominik Nitsche3
Eric Wasserson3
Erik Seidel3
Greg Mueller3
Jeff Gross3
Jonathan Little3
Koray Aldemir3
Kristen Bicknell3
Marco Caldwell Johnson3
Michael Gathy3
Nick Pupillo3
Sam Greenwood3
Scott Seiver3
Shawn Buchanan3
Allen Kessler2
Brian Hastings2
Brian Rast2
Christopher Vitch2
Connor Drinan2
Dan Smith2
Darren Elias2
David "bakes" Baker2
David Bach2
David Prociak2
Elior Benjamin Sion2
Greg Raymer2
Jake Schnidler2
Jared Bleznick2
Jason Koon2
Joao Vieira2
Jonathan Turner2
Joseph McKeehen2
Kyle Julius2
Martin Jacobson2
Max Pescatori2
Michael Coombs2
Mike Gorodinsky2
Mike Leah2
Mustapha Kanit2
Parker Talbot2
Richard Ashby2
Roland Israelashvili2
Scotty Nguyen2
Steffen Sontheimer2
Toby Lewis2
Valentin Vornicu2
Aaron Steury1
Abdel Hameed Hamid1
Alex Jacob1
Alex Luneau1
Andre Akkari1
Andrew Barber1
Anthony Zinno1
Antonio Esfandiari1
Artan Dedusha1
Ben Lamb1
Brent Wheeler1
Bryce Yockey1
Cate Hall1
Chris Moorman1
Chris Tryba1
Christian Harder1
Christopher George1
Conor Beresford1
Craig Chait1
Daniel Weinman1
David Rheem1
David Sands1
Doug Polk1
Douglas Carli1
Dutch Boyd1
Dylan Wilkerson1
Fabrice Soulier1
Faraz Jaka1
Federico Butteroni1
Fedor Holz1
Frank Kassela1
Griffin Benger1
Harrison Gimbel1
Igor Yaroshevskyy1
Isaac Haxton1
James Obst1
Jameson Painter1
Jan Eric Schwippert1
Jan Murray Stein1
Jared Jaffee1
Jason Gooch1
Jason Mercier1
Jeff Sluzinski1
Jesse Martin1
Joao Pires Simao1
John Brock Parker1
Jon Turner1
Jonathan Dwek1
Jonathan Jaffe1
Jonathan Tamayo1
Josh Arieh1
Justin Cuong Van Tran1
Kevin MacPhee1
Kevin Song1
Kyle Miaso1
Lee Watkinson1
Liv Boeree1
Loni Harwood1
Maria Konnikova1
Mark Gregorich1
Martin Finger1
Matthew Parry1
Maurice Hawkins1
Michael Gagliano1
Naoya Kihara1
Nicholas Eddie Blumenthal1
Nick Petrangelo1
Noah Bronstein1
Ole Schemion1
Owais Ahmed1
Patrick Leonard1
Patrick Tardif1
Phil Collins1
Phil Galfond1
Philipp Gruissem1
Phillip Hui1
Randy Lew1
Ray Dehkharghani1
Richard Bai1
Roger Barbour1
Ryan Reiss1
Sam Soverel1
Shirley Rosario1
Shivan Abdine1
Steven Wolansky1
Talal Shakerchi1
Ted Forrest1
Thomas Cannuli1
Todd Witteles1
Tom Schneider1
Travis Lutes1
Tuan Le1
Upeshka De Silva1
Vitaly Lunkin1
Wendy Freedman1
William Kassouf1

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Old 05-28-2018, 07:46 PM   #4
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Re: **2+2 WSOP FANTASY LEAGUE - SWEAT THREAD**

Let's take a minute to look at AdamSchwartz's team:

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Shivan Abdine85
Joseph McKeehen304
Sam Soverel148
Thomas Cannuli179
Federico Butteroni116
Vitaly Lunkin89
Jonathan Dwek81
Fabrice Soulier212
Travis Lutes116
Artan Dedusha138
Total1468

It looks really random and that's because it is:



Here's some info about his team:

PlayerTotal CashesBest CashBraceletsWSOP Cashes
Shivan Abdine$717,739$90,84207
Joseph McKeehen$14,750,531$7,683,346219
Sam Soverel$4,988,720$1,024,36417
Thomas Cannuli$1,610,154$1,426,283111
Federico Butteroni$1,309,543$1,097,056017
Vitaly Lunkin$6,382,216$1,891,018232
Jonathan Dwek$353,296$176,39903
Fabrice Soulier$6,360,249$824,513141
Travis Lutes$561,780$214,91305
Artan Dedusha$637,151$263,75801
Total$37,671,379$14,692,4927143

Also there are 3 members of the 2015 November 9 in his team
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Old 05-28-2018, 07:51 PM   #5
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Re: **2+2 WSOP FANTASY LEAGUE - SWEAT THREAD**

Take a look at the teams and check that all your info is correct in there. Some of you made changes and I tried my best to implement them as soon as I received them. It is easily possible that I made a mistake somewhere though, LMK about it.

mistakes could be:

-inconsistent/incorrect spelling
-inconsistent/incorrect salaries
-team changes missed
-team missing

I'm going to be AFK soon and so I'll deal with any issues later on.

glgl everyone
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Old 05-28-2018, 07:58 PM   #6
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Ahh man, Ivey at 75. Damnn.
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Old 05-28-2018, 07:58 PM   #7
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great job, ty
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Old 05-28-2018, 08:19 PM   #8
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Re: **2+2 WSOP FANTASY LEAGUE - SWEAT THREAD**

Yay. Let's go.

I did consider putting in Ivey or Cal at 75, but I don't think either is going to play that much, and that there are other better picks.

Gl guys.
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Old 05-28-2018, 08:20 PM   #9
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Subscribing. Also stoked that someone other than myself drafted me!
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Old 05-29-2018, 03:44 AM   #10
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Re: **2+2 WSOP FANTASY LEAGUE - SWEAT THREAD**

So I wake up to 3 mistakes I made:

1). I overlooked a submission made by DayTripper 2 days ago
2). I overlooked a last minute PM by hykref33 fixing the error in his team.
3). I overlooked a team change made by AllinNTheDark on 25th May (Raymer out, Ivey in)

All of these things will be corrected and I'll edit the OP to show the new projected prizepool and drafted frequencies

Any more errors I made then please let me know either in thread or by PM

Hopefully they were the last of them though...

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Old 05-29-2018, 04:40 AM   #11
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Lots of interesting stuff!
Wouldn't have guessed that Chidwick and Bonomo would turn out to be the most picked players.

I must say I like my chances in this field.
I like Rabble en AllinNtheDark's teams as well. Others have quite some players who will not be playing or very likely will not be playin that many events.

GL all!!!!
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Old 05-29-2018, 05:04 AM   #12
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I should have Cal Anderson in place of Dan Kelly (xander - resent you the original PM).

Kind of like Eli Elezra as the potential top-scoring 75 tho...?

GL everyone; thanks again xander.
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Old 05-29-2018, 05:36 AM   #13
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I should have Cal Anderson in place of Dan Kelly (xander - resent you the original PM).

Kind of like Eli Elezra as the potential top-scoring 75 tho...?

GL everyone; thanks again xander.
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Old 05-29-2018, 05:44 AM   #14
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A selection of recent tweets from players that have been drafted:



























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Just to give an idea of how much things have changed here are the players drafted in the 2011 fantasy league:

Phil Ivey12
Daniel Negreanu11
Erik Seidel9
Jason Mercier9
Vanessa Selbst9
Eugene Katchalov7
Barry Greenstein6
Tom Dwan6
Bertrand Grospellier5
Huck Seed5
Phil Hellmuth5
Alexander Kostritsyn4
Jennifer Harman4
Carlos Mortensen3
Daniel Alaei3
Michael Mizrachi3
Scott Seiver3
Shawn Buchanan3
Annette Oberstrad2
Erick Lindgren2
George Lind2
Jeff Lisandro2
Joe Hachem2
John Juanda2
Justin Smith2
Phil Galfond2
Sam Trickett2
Sorel Mizzi2
Alex Kravchanko1
Allen Kessler1
Andy Bloch1
Ben WIlinofsky1
Casey Jarzabek1
Chau Giang1
David "Bakes" Baker1
David Benyamine1
David Chiu1
Galen Hall1
Gavin Smith1
Humberto Brenes1
Isaac Haxton1
Ivan Demidov1
Joe Serock1
Johnny Chan1
Jonathan Duhamel1
Jonathan Karamalikis1
Lex Veldhuis1
Matt Hawrlienko1
Max Heinzelmann1
Men Nguyen1
Mickey Petersen1
Patrik Antonius1
Praz Bansi1
Richard Ashby1
Scott Montgomery1
Tom Marchese1
Ville Wahlbeck1
Vitaly Lunkin1
Vladimir Shchmelev1
Xuan Liu1
Yueqi Zhu1
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Does everyone know something about Obst that I don’t?
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Old 05-29-2018, 08:18 AM   #17
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I think it's just a cost thing

If anyone else went down the 400+ route then they picked Negreanu or Mike Leah
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Old 05-29-2018, 08:19 AM   #18
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Does everyone know something about Obst that I don’t?
Not really; had him last year but too expensive this time around at 431, esp. when player values this time allow for the likes of Chidwick, Bonomo etc at ~150. Judging by twitter, seems like Obst will be in Vegas (for tennis at least!) but not sure of exact schedule.

Anyone know what Chris Vitch's schedule is like this time? (he's not on twitter, it seems)?
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Not really; had him last year but too expensive this time around at 431, esp. when player values this time allow for the likes of Chidwick, Bonomo etc at ~150. Judging by twitter, seems like Obst will be in Vegas (for tennis at least!) but not sure of exact schedule.

Anyone know what Chris Vitch's schedule is like this time? (he's not on twitter, it seems)?
For me Obst was a cost thing... I guess he will be playing events like he does every year. He sure will not only be present in Vegas for tennis

Vitch I don't know either. Not on twitter indeed. Tried hard to get info on the guy, but no succes....

About the people in my team I do know that they will be playing full schedule (regarding their tweets and replies)

Let the games begin
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Lots of interesting stuff!
Wouldn't have guessed that Chidwick and Bonomo would turn out to be the most picked players.

I must say I like my chances in this field.
I like Rabble en AllinNtheDark's teams as well. Others have quite some players who will not be playing or very likely will not be playin that many events.

GL all!!!!
Not surprised about Chidwick/Bonomo. It was a tough call to jettison them and instead keep my top 4 intact along with a bargain basement player. Still wonder if I made the right choice. Interesting that Rabble has my top 4 and rja 3/4.

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Kind of like Eli Elezra as the potential top-scoring 75 tho...?
Picked Ivey once I heard him say he was playing WSOP, partly as a defensive pick, but also he seems very determined. Considered Eli, originally had Seidel, then Raymer... but went with Ivey and a sleeper (Prociak) as budget picks.
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I was pleasantly surprised at how few people have taken Adam Owen. I think he's got a really good shout for POY this year.
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Not surprised about Chidwick/Bonomo. It was a tough call to jettison them and instead keep my top 4 intact along with a bargain basement player. Still wonder if I made the right choice. Interesting that Rabble has my top 4 and rja 3/4.



Picked Ivey once I heard him say he was playing WSOP, partly as a defensive pick, but also he seems very determined. Considered Eli, originally had Seidel, then Raymer... but went with Ivey and a sleeper (Prociak) as budget picks.
I think you have done a good job by jettison them. Chidwick and Bonomo are for sure canonballs which are always good picks in these kind of fantasy teams, but they are also the real high stakes players.
And Bonomo have said on twitter that he prioritizing the Aria High Rollers over the WSOP events. So IF he plays it's a good pick, but I would always go for the picks of which I am certain about that they will play full schedules.
That's also the reason I haven't put Ivey in my team. I had him in for quite some time, but it's very unsure how much he will actually play. He have said that he wíll play, but have nothing mentioned about what kind of schedule.

But yeah....after all it's just gambling
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I was pleasantly surprised at how few people have taken Adam Owen. I think he's got a really good shout for POY this year.
I have nothing but respect for Adam as a player, but I had him last year for substantially less "salary" and felt there was better value this year.
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I have nothing but respect for Adam as a player, but I had him last year for substantially less "salary" and felt there was better value this year.
He was cheaper last year because he'd only really properly played 2 summers and the prices are based on 3 years results (IIRC)

We'll see at the end of the series...

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He was cheaper last year because he'd only really properly played 2 summers and the prices are based on 3 years results (IIRC)

We'll see at the end of the series...
It wouldn't surprise me at all if he made a run at POY... but I think he's close to full EV now, not a bargain.

I knew about him from COOPs and was at his table late in day 2 of WSOP event in 2016.

It came down to: Would I rather have him and another $75 player (already have two) that might not play... or one of my top 4 and a player like Chidwick, Bonomo, Ari Engel, or Robert Mizrachi? Seemed like a pretty easy choice to me, but that's nothing against Adam! I couldn't keep players like ODB or ETay from last year either, that's just how it goes.
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