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Old 07-21-2008, 04:38 PM   #26
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Have you considered playing poker professionally?

Opinion on the Chicago Blackhawks giving the 'C' to Jonathan Toews at 20 years of age?
I think I could live off of poker if I really needed to, but right now it's just something I don't want to do full-time. Things definitely could change though. Last year at this time I was still playing tournaments and messing around with < 4 tables of 25/50NL. Now when I play, I'm running at 16 tables of 100NL. Who knows what could happen in one year? I woul dnot have imagined that I would be where I am now last summer, so who knows what will happen? Case in point - tournaments can change a lot if you hit a big payday when taking a shot.

I haven't been following the team super-close in the off-season, but I kinda like it. Sure, the older guys on the team might be a little pissed, but Toews is the key to the Hawks success (as evidenced last year when he was hurt). Regardless, I think they can get into the playoffs this year as a low seed and maybe win a series? I'm extremely happy they are televising home games again this year on WGN...the city is getting excited again!
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what poker programs do you use?

what do you do to improve your game besides grinding? how much do you play?

what are your thoughts on your own mortality? do you struggle with this? was it different as a child?

kthnx!
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Your poker story was a good read.

What do think differentiates a really good 100NL player from a meh one (besides results, LDO!).

Chicago is a great city. Favorite museum there?

Are you able to get by without a car?

What is the best aspect about playing poker to you?

Favorite book?
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what poker programs do you use?

what do you do to improve your game besides grinding? how much do you play?

what are your thoughts on your own mortality? do you struggle with this? was it different as a child?

kthnx!

I use PT2 and PAHUD auto-importing stats whenever I play. Main stats I look at are the c-bet ones on the flop and of course how nitty they are preflop.

I think the best way to improve is to review your own hands - it's easy to look at the ones where you lost a lot of money and say "Ok, that guy was a nit I should have folded...blahblahblah". I think the best way to review hands is to go session by session in PT or just in a text file and go throguh every single hand and analyze each decision verbally. I find that I fix some leaks in hands that I won, but I could have won more (missing value bets, etc.). Obviously volume helps work out some kinks, but analyzing sessions at a time is a big part of self-improvement. I don't play nearly as much as some of the other grinders on here. My biggest month is almost 40,000 hands. Once I get back to school I want to shoot for 30,000+ hands a month to put me on pace for Supernova. I can get in 900-1000 hands.hour, so an hour/day for one month isn't too much to ask of myself.


I think I see the world different than a lot of the people around me. Everyone has a "plan" in life and they guide their actions to fulfill this plan and hopefully by the end, their lives are all tied together through a narrative with one thing connecting to the other. I guess I have plans too...

- I want to help people and make this world a better place than what it is right now

- I want to be with my g/f for the rest of my life

- I want to have kids one day so I can pass on some of the stuff I have figured out to them and hopefully continue to make the world a better place.

Those are probably the 3 major goals that I have. I realize that my "plans" might not become reality due to a lot of random variables that I have no control over. The world is full of too much random stuff that affects our lives and changes the paths we take. For example, I might not have gotten into poker if some of my friends didn't as well. If instead, they chose NASCAR or snowboarding or something, I wouldn't even be writing this year. If Chris Moneymaker hadn't won the WSOP, would any of us be typing on 2+2???

So, while I want these things to happen, I recognize they might not as a giant curveball might come in out of nowhere and alter the course of history, etc. (See: Nuclear War / Massive Recession, etc.) However, my 3 goals are for the most part attainable (she feels the same way ).

This might sound weird, but I feel like I am destined for something bigger than being an "ordinary" person. I feel like I would be wasting my time "just" being a lawyer, or a businessperson, etc. that just goes through similar actions/cases each day.

I was religious up until the beginning of college, then I started questioning my beliefs...and unfortunately (or fortunately?) they didn't hold up. So as of now, I don't believe in a traditional God - so I don't think we are all "destined" for a purpose in life. I think we are kind of here randomly and we might as well make the most of it (while being decent to ourselves and each other). I feel like I am the only one who thinks this that is close to me, but o well...lol. I guess I am anti-establishment (but not punkish or anything, I am very much what people would consider "clean-cut") but I don't show it outwardly.

I just get pissed off when I go to work everyday and I see a bunch of poor black people asking for change or selling newspapers and there are thousands of uppity white people who storm by ignoring them. Yes, these people probably go buy drugs or gamble with the money they get, so it's "smart" to not give it to them. However, the system that white people created combined with misfortune and being the "inferior" race in the US for 200+ years has them on the street instead of me. That's some ****ed up **** right there!

Sorry for the rant, but to answer the question... I've accepted that humans are probably a "fluke" in the universe (I think there may be other planets like ours) and we aren't watched constantly by an invisible man in the sky. So, I'm comfortable believing that this is it for humans and we should make the most of what we got while we have it and try and make things better for other people too. I've accepted "death" because I don't really see a purpose for human life other than enjoyment since I think we are a lucky circumstance in the universe. So, live life each day, help each other out, and stop flicking me off when you are tailgating me and I slow down and turn around and smile - its not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things !!
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Damn, that got long...
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Old 07-21-2008, 05:34 PM   #31
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Great well so far, slops for being a cubs fan though
I don't know if I told you this but both my parents went to U of I and I got to DePaul currently. My question is that even though you seem to have a really bright future business wise have you ever thought of giving pro poker a shot? Why or why not?
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Your poker story was a good read.

What do think differentiates a really good 100NL player from a meh one (besides results, LDO!).

Chicago is a great city. Favorite museum there?

Are you able to get by without a car?

What is the best aspect about playing poker to you?

Favorite book?
Thanks, I'm lucky I had half of it written out already. Who knows what will happen in one year!

I don't have a TON of play as a lot of posters in this forum do at 100NL, but I think good 100NL players can THINK. If someone does X action from Y position on Z board - why is he/she doing this? what is his/her range? how does he/she see you? It seems relatively simple, but uncluttering the mess of a hand makes you see things clearer and make better decisions. This gets better when you play a lot of hands and start to see patterns in play and review your hands. Good 100NL players eventually move up for good if they know what they are doing, because they should be able to win at 200NL. I think the people who drift back down still need to figure some things out - I'm not qualified to say this since I have played 0 hands of 200NL, but it's just a hunch

I love Chicago! Unfortunately I've only been to a few museums...my favorites are the Adler Planetarium and the Museum of Science and Industry. I also considered Wrigley Field a museum...

If you live close to the city, it is very easy to get around without a car. You might have to wait a little bit for the buses, but the 'EL goes everywhere and there are trains to pretty much every suburb. Only bad thing is the trains go into the city on different lines, so it's hard to get from suburb A to suburb B without a car if you are taking the train and suburb A is 5 miles north of B (you have to take the train into the city, then back out again on a different line).

Best aspect of poker is the intellectual challenge. Yeah, of course the money is nice, but that's not why I play. If I'm spending a lot of time on something it's because I enjoy it (summer jobs don't count ). Each hand is a problem that needs to be figured out - I like solving problems...we might have something here...

Favorite Book...hmmm...

I'm currently reading Black Swan, which is a good book, but I'm only about half through. An interesting one I read is called Forever (read this in HS). It's fiction, but has a lot of NY history in it, so it was pretty cool - it's a strange book so if you read it don't hate me if you don't like it...

Where the Red Fern grows was my favorite as a kid. The LOTR series is impressive just because of all the detail Tolkien went into - it's amazing how he created a complete fictional world with languages, etc. (pretty nerdy, but cool)
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I think we could hang out.
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Old 07-21-2008, 05:42 PM   #34
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Great well so far, slops for being a cubs fan though
I don't know if I told you this but both my parents went to U of I and I got to DePaul currently. My question is that even though you seem to have a really bright future business wise have you ever thought of giving pro poker a shot? Why or why not?
Who said I have a bright future?

A part of me wants to move to Vegas and get a place and play cards online/live for a living for one month to see if I can do it...

Maybe I will try this next summer if I don't have anything set up. While I am very confident that I could do this (I'm also learning blackjack counting, etc.) and make a decent living - I wouldn't be contributing anything to society by sitting in a casino/my apt. for 8 hours a day playing a game. Yeah, I think I could do well financially, and maybe I will try it for a small amount of time if I REALLY need cash or something. However, I'd like to keep it as a hobby and do something more productive for the world with my life.

I'd like to think that I could do it, but I only have $10k lifetime in winnings, am a decent winner over a decent sample at 100NL, but not yet a proven long-term winner, still have leaks (doesn't everyone )...so I'm not sure if this equates to becoming a succesful poker player. I kind of like the Barry Greenstein route (donate tournament winnings to charity), but I'd want to be more hands-on than simply donating - hats off to Barry though!!!

I guess poker would be better than working a crappy job, but if I had a crappy job I would probably quit it because what's the point? Life is short, do something you enjoy...
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I think we could hang out.
I do want to go to the 2+2 meetup in Vegas (assuming there will be one next summer). The one this year looked great - I just didn't want to fly out there by myself and none of my friends had the cash to go.

There are a lot of FRNL'ers that I would like to meet. I'm still young - hopefully all you peoples sometime.
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Ok, time to go home. I did nothing at work today. If I am fired tomorrow I don't think I will be angry at all

I'll be back on later sometime tonight to answer questions/discuss whatever so keep firing away if you are curious.
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I wonder how the poker scene has changed since I went to U of I. I would travel to different nearby cities to poker games on different nights of the week, in addtion to the game I would play in on campus. These games went on regularly for many years.

I assume it is hard to organize a regular game these days, since the advent of online poker.

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I wonder how the poker scene has changed since I went to U of I. I would travel to different nearby cities to poker games on different nights of the week, in addtion to the game I would play in on campus. These games went on regularly for many years.

I assume it is hard to organize a regular game these days, since the advent of online poker.

Barry
This just made the day of a bunch of micro-grinders, and one in particular.

this is now officially an epic well.
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I wonder how the poker scene has changed since I went to U of I. I would travel to different nearby cities to poker games on different nights of the week, in addtion to the game I would play in on campus. These games went on regularly for many years.

I assume it is hard to organize a regular game these days, since the advent of online poker.

Barry
Wow, so sick. you, Barry.
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I wonder how the poker scene has changed since I went to U of I. I would travel to different nearby cities to poker games on different nights of the week, in addtion to the game I would play in on campus. These games went on regularly for many years.

I assume it is hard to organize a regular game these days, since the advent of online poker.

Barry
I don't go to U of I but at Oklahoma State I know plenty of live games to play in. There are some guys I went to high school with who have built some pretty nice tables and one of them usually deals. $1 max rake on anything you want to spread just to pay for the free drinks and chips. I've heard of other similar games in the area too. JP OSU would probably know better than me though of pre-internet boom games in the area.
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I wonder how the poker scene has changed since I went to U of I. I would travel to different nearby cities to poker games on different nights of the week, in addtion to the game I would play in on campus. These games went on regularly for many years.

I assume it is hard to organize a regular game these days, since the advent of online poker.

Barry
Wow! Thanks for posting in the thread Barry!! I was a freshman when you came to speak at Foellinger Auditorium a few years back...I was thoroughly impressed with your presentation and that little talk motivated me to play a little more poker I even took one of the promo posters (promoting the talk and your book) that was posted in my dorm and hung it up in my room...I'm such a nerd.

There are a few games that run on campus, but the ones I hear about are usually .25/.50 .5/1 and 1/2 No Limit. I think the other games are dead for the most part and I don't hear many rumors about big professor games, although they might still run? I think most people would rather play 12+ tables online than in a live game nowadays, which is sad...

Do you have any more trips to Champaign planned, or was our appearence a few years ago a once-in-a-while thing?

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Kams or C.O's?????
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Kams or C.O's?????
I don't like it when my shoes stick to the floor when I take a step...

So neither.

On campus, I prefer Brothers or Murphy's, and mayyybe Joes. I've heard the off-campus bars, especially some of the ones in downtown Champaign and Urbana are excellent. I will have to check those out this fall.
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I don't like it when my shoes stick to the floor when I take a step...

So neither.

On campus, I prefer Brothers or Murphy's, and mayyybe Joes. I've heard the off-campus bars, especially some of the ones in downtown Champaign and Urbana are excellent. I will have to check those out this fall.
Guido's and Barfly are always a good choice if your looking at downtown places
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I don't like it when my shoes stick to the floor when I take a step...

So neither.

On campus, I prefer Brothers or Murphy's, and mayyybe Joes. I've heard the off-campus bars, especially some of the ones in downtown Champaign and Urbana are excellent. I will have to check those out this fall.
lol and yeah i figured after freshmen year, kams and c.o.'s were probably not on the list of places to be
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You seem pretty laidback and tilt averse, except for your rant on "the man". What are the things that cause you to tilt and how do you deal with it?

Biggest reason people don't make it out of the micro stakes?

Biggest swong?
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Remind me that when I do my well, I need to lie and say I went to the University of Illinois so that Barry will post in mine, too.
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You seem pretty laidback and tilt averse, except for your rant on "the man". What are the things that cause you to tilt and how do you deal with it?

Biggest reason people don't make it out of the micro stakes?

Biggest swong?
Yeah...I hate the "man", sue me...

I think people go on tilt because they are emotionally invested in the game they are playing. I am super-conservative when it comes to my bankroll, so I only play a level when I am truly ready for it. It doesn't faze me at all when I lost a stack or five at 100NL. It would affect me and my play if I lost a few stacks at 200NL. When you start seeing chips as units that keep "score" you play better as you aren't thinking "O my gosh, it's $60 back to me to call! I can buy a lot of things with $60!"

I think the biggest reasons people don't make it out of the micro stakes are 1) impatience - it's hard to grind your way up from 10/25NL to 100NL+ and takes time 2) inability to look at their game from an objective standpoint 3) taking shots too soon - this isn't a big reason, but it's hard to stick to a bankroll structure if you are crushing 25NL and you take some shots at 50NL with $500 and lose a few buy-ins due to bad play, you might spiral and be back to where you started...

I mean, it took me over 2 years of sporadic play to grind my bankroll up to a level where I could jump in and play 50NL. I picked up some basic poker concepts from tournament play and then adapated to the cash game. You can't expect to go from $100 to $2000 in one day (unless you play tournaments ). A lot of micro players don't realize how many hands it might take them to get where they want to be...

Biggest swong is -$1000, I'll post a graph in a few hours ...you can see the swong then.
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I'm guessing Barry just searched his name and this thread popped up, so he checked it out. So, so cool!
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I'm guessing Barry just searched his name and this thread popped up, so he checked it out. So, so cool!
You guessed right.

I liked your story and I thought I should show some support for one of my U of I boys.

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They have asked me to come back a few times, but I figured I would wait until there is enough turnover so that I would have a new set of students, since my talk wouldn't be much different than it was the first time. I guess you didn't listen too carefully when I cautioned about playing too much poker!

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