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10-23-2012 , 07:46 PM

ishipkq

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Poker Stars, $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #14273091

BTN: $407.55 (101.9 bb)
Hero (SB): $400 (100 bb)
BB: $400 (100 bb)
UTG+1: $508.73 (127.2 bb)
UTG+2: $816.80 (204.2 bb)
MP1: $298.41 (74.6 bb)
MP2: $400 (100 bb)
MP3: $333.58 (83.4 bb)
CO: $641.39 (160.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9

UTG+1 raises to $8, 6 folds, Hero raises to $32, BB folds, UTG+1 calls $24

Flop: ($68) 6

(2 players)
Hero bets $38, UTG+1 raises to $102, Hero calls $64

Turn: ($272) K

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $142, Hero raises to $266 and is all-in, UTG+1 calls $124

River: ($804) Q

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

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villain is a tagfish. 17/9, ep or 12-15%. fold to 3bet ridiculously low (like 10%) and very low 4bet too. im pretty sure he's flatting all pps and most other crap. passive postflop and goes to showdown a lot (wwsf 41 w$sd 32).
i have a note of him c/ring a 886ss flop with overcards. he actually check/raises the flop quite wide, most likely with a polarized range.

3bet is meh, probably a little better than calling

now that i think about it, it's a pretty easy cib otf. but as played, what's the best ott?

10-23-2012 , 07:50 PM

Ricky1231

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stop trying to change your image with 2p2 posts

10-23-2012 , 07:52 PM

Mr.McNitt

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10-23-2012 , 08:07 PM

ishipkq

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ricky1231

stop trying to change your image with 2p2 posts

you caught me.

10-23-2012 , 08:12 PM

HyperTurboLoL

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Quote:

nl400 wat am i doin

Spewing

10-23-2012 , 08:17 PM

HyperTurboLoL

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Why are you 3 betting vs a guy who has a tight range, never folds, raises a lot of flops and fights for pots and has position on you? Yea you can 3 bet 99 for value based on his fold to 3bet stat but calling is better here being OOP vs a guy who is super aggro post and has position. Sample size?

It's not like he calls and gives up post easily. Plus he's at the tightest part of his range being UTG

10-23-2012 , 08:21 PM

ishipkq

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HyperTurboLoL

value. i'm pretty sure 99 is ahead against 12%.
and he doesn't fight a lot. for some reason, he likes to raise flops with all sort of crap, which doesnt mean he fights a lot. he has a wwsf of 41 ffs

but anyway, don't really care about pre or flop, but about the turn

10-23-2012 , 08:23 PM

HyperTurboLoL

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ishipkq

How big is the sample?

As played I probably CRAI on the turn as well.

10-23-2012 , 08:26 PM

ishipkq

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i dont remember tbh. but somewhat big (prf range is very accurate)

10-23-2012 , 08:32 PM

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HyperTurboLoL

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ishipkq

i dont remember tbh. but somewhat big (prf range is very accurate)

Yea obviously positional PFR would be acurate as it doesn't take long to converge but I would be more concerned about the fold to 3bet stat.

Theres going to be huge variance in a sample size of say 1-2k hands when looking at a fold to 3bet stat especially when comparing his fold to 3 bet UTG vs his fold to 3 bet in the ctf or btn. It's Full ring, not many regs are 3 betting an UTG opener as wide as 99 when he opens UTG. A lot are flatting hands as strong as JJ IP so it's doubtful he's being given the opportunity to call/fold to a 3bet UTG that often to begin with compared to a LP open

10-23-2012 , 08:37 PM

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ishipkq

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HyperTurboLoL

yeah, but when someone folded like five out of thirty times to a 3bet, you can tell he doesnt like folding. same for w$sd and wtsd

10-23-2012 , 08:42 PM

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ishipkq

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in fact, i remember it was lower than 10% but we

10-23-2012 , 11:24 PM

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TimStone

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u have 49% EQ vs. a 12% range wit ur 99

not too mention he always takes this line with TT-QQ, maybe KK and AA and not necessarily wit pockets u have crushed. besides that there are decent amount of overs+FD in his range as well.

against teh villain in question i would never 3bet tis pre and if i do b/f, c/c (depending on size), c/f

10-24-2012 , 12:35 AM

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hard2tel

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this 17/9 really had a 12-15% ep or?

anyway turn is interesting i guess since at least some KK/AA combos are 4betting pre and his betting range is ridic polarized i'm sure. i probably stick it in as well

10-24-2012 , 12:38 AM

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ishipkq

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hard2tel

this 17/9 really had a 12-15% ep or?

yeah. guy had no positional awareness. not so rare in tag fishes

ty timmy, although you are a nit

10-24-2012 , 12:40 AM

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ishipkq

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btw by tag fish i mean more on the fishy side. kinda like a live pro who used to play 40/5 but then read super system

10-24-2012 , 02:48 AM

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Glanza_Mike

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Hmm, I play pretty laggy and even I agree with most of what Tim said, don't like pre, think u put yourself in too many awkward situations 3betting pre, like you are in now for example.

10-24-2012 , 03:42 AM

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ishipkq

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thats not a valid reason to not 3bet.

10-24-2012 , 03:56 AM

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Glanza_Mike

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Ok, so how about do you know if the note you took about him raising overcards was in single raised pot or in a 3bet pot? people play totally different in some cases in these two. I can't see a guy who has a PFR of only 9% opening 15% UTG this must be a sample size thing, how many hands do u have on villain? You say yourself he is passive postflop, yet you want to jam over a turn bet with 0 FE after he has raised the flop in a 3bet pot?

10-24-2012 , 04:52 AM

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Pokie

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This hand seems a bit spewy on the turn, but then the villain is capable of raising 87s from EP so what do I know?! :-D

10-24-2012 , 04:58 AM

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RosaParks

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The 3b is ****ing horrible.

10-24-2012 , 04:58 AM

#22

Pokie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RosaParks

The 3b is ****ing horrible.

Yeah, this.

Just take the cheap set-mine from the SB. Obviously don't fold good boards if you don't hit your set.

10-24-2012 , 10:26 AM

#23

jimmyvjv13

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whoa

10-24-2012 , 02:26 PM

#24

ishipkq

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Glanza_Mike

yeah, it was in a single raised pot
ep or is pretty accurate. not everybody knows what position is.
the last thing you said makes a lot of sense, and that's why i felt like **** after clicking the arrin button. but given how much this guy polarizes his flop raises, he probably has air 90%+.
tbh i didnt plan the hand prf so otf i didnt know what to do, specially given that i didnt even bother to check if i had notes on him.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pokie

This hand seems a bit spewy on the turn, but then the villain is capable of raising 87s from EP so what do I know?! :-D

hah were you at the table? villain had 87s indeed. how bad can the 3bet be if villain is calling with 87s?

10-24-2012 , 02:31 PM

#25

vinivici9586

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tagfish is not the right term at all. this is basically a fish, and im actually fine w/ preflop because these guys don't 4b bluff ajo or w/e. if you need examples of what a tagfish is, i recommend playing some 100 and 200nl

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