Is this accurate with respect to skill levels?

25NL online plays like NL200 ($1/2) live
NL50 online plays like NL500 ($2/5) live
NL100 online plays like NL1000 ($5/10) live
NL200 online plays like NL2000 ($10/20) live

Obviously, the levels won't correspond exactly, but is this generalization approximately correct?

I'm wondering because I'm a 10-tabling NL100 FR player online but am likely to go to Vegas in the next few weeks to check out the live action there.

Thanks!

Seems pretty reasonable. I'd say the skill level of 25nl is equivilent to 200nl live but the players are spewier live. I'd also say in general the games are looser because playing 14/12 is boring when you only see 30 hands an hour.

I don't see how anyone can even play live poker if they aren't somehow intoxicated. It's so f-ing slow.

i think my live stats are about 100/10/3

1300 hands/hour or 30 hands/hour...oh man which should I choose?

there is no way to compare the two. Thats what I decided after putting in about 10 hrs of live play this week. For instance, nl50 online is so nitty, but 2/5 live is loose as hell.

The players at 1/2 and 2/5 live all suck. The live grinders are absolutely terrible compared to anyone making money online. In 10 hrs, I made one live grinder quit (30 min after he said he was gonna be here for at least 6 hours) and 3 others request seat changes bc I was constantly owning them. Thats not because I'm any good either, plenty of people will vouch for that.

and this isnt really the issue. I think its possible to have a better hourly at live 1/2 than online 1/2 depending on how deep stacks are. Its also a lot more fun, imo.

I like how a lot of live players think tp=nuts. Too bad they don't convert to online though.

If this is the big leak that comes to your mind when you think of live players then i feel pretty sorry for you haha

In France :

2NL is 10x harder than the 1knl underground i play sporaticly.

Then again, stars and FTP don't spread 6-card omaha high low Q online, so that may have something to do w/ it

So what level should a NL100 FR player play at when he goes to Vegas?

depends on your bankroll i guess

You shouldn't be playing 14/12 live at NL500 and lower. You should be playing way looser for two reasons:

1 - Since everybody else plays so loosely, you can loosen up your starting hand requirements as well. Hands like K-Jo are far better live than online at these stakes.
2- You can probably outplay the heck out of them post-flop.
3- Limpers rarely get punished. Open limp 7-6s utg. Woot!

I'd estimate think a ~25/12 style is probably best at a typical NL200 live game. Maybe ~19/15 or so at NL500. 14/12 is overly nitty.

I know, I was just saying.

Play as high as your BR allows realistically.

What are the bankroll requirements for NL200, NL500, and NL1000?

At 200NL, limp around all day. Tons of tourists and boyfriend/girlfriends playing as well as the degen gamblers in there too. Don't think you can make steals pre flop, the people "wanna see the cards" so they'll always run you down to the flop and if they hit they'll run you down so more. So at 200NL forget trying to control the game. Limp all sorts of hands and wait to make something then someone will follows you to the end with Top pair and is worried about his "kicker" while you've had him drawing dead the whole time with a set. Don't be shy to bet little bits with 10 9 on 10 10 9 fd flop. Tourists are idiots and will chase and spew if they make their hand, if there are good players at the table, they'll know you have a FH, but they're not you primarily targets. Honest 1/2$ live can play like 1/2 cents sometimes I swear.

2/5$ is a different story, I'd say limping too much can make you bleed to much. At the 2/5$ games I've seen are full of degen drug dealing gamblers that always wanna control the action and outplay everybody. So there is alot of raising pre flop, with bad cards and obviously hyper aggro play once the flop hits. (Type of thing where some guy can make 5 reraises pre flop then all of sudden fold or show up with Q 6 offsuit because he was trying to represent aces and get an AK to fold!)

The thing about comparing live to online is that when you play online, if you don't exhibit any discipline, you're finished pretty quickly. In live, takes more time, one lucky river can buy you another couple hours instead of 20-30 min for a brutal fish. So ppl's discipline is a major difference. And due to this fact, I expect the prospect of tons of beats during a session so I usually show up with 1K to play 1/2$NL and I would show up with 2K to play 2/5$ NL. You should have double what you bring to the table at home, so if you're playing 1/2$, you should have a roll of 3K and 2/5NL$ a roll of 6K.

Depends on style, risk aversion, how deep you play, etc.

NL 200= $2000
NL 500= $7500
NL 1000=$20,000

I do a lot of live grinding along with the online play. Winrates for live are obviously a lot higher than online. approx $25/hr for 1/2 and $60/hr for 2/5. I have played mannnnny hours of live up to 10/20nl and have still yet to find a game tougher than the average 1/2nl online. lol.

Anyhow, the suggestions to open limp many hands even in 1/2 live are no good. Live players are so passive that choosing to play a 6 way limped pot oop is awful. Raise up your hands 12-14 in 1/2nl narrow to heads up or 3 way and fire the cbet. These passive live fish will tell you when they hit their holy grail, (top pair or NFD!!!) and not play back when they miss the flop, which they will do most of the time. Playing hands like KJo oop still suck don't listen to that advice either. Good luck in Vegas. Can't wait to hit the Wynn. Still haven't been there!

play as high as you feel comfortable losing. Bring at least 3 max buyins for your game. Try to pleay deeper if possible as people don't usually adjust.

So I used to play a lot live but have been grinding 100nl fr online the past 3 months. I usually 12-table. I'm going to turning stone to play a few tournies during their series and might grind some cash games while I am there.

How much is it going to suck playing 30 hands an hour? Should I download a couple movies onto my ipod so I don't get bored as **** at the table?

I'm completely serious when I say I get far more bored playing 1200 hand/hr online than 30/hr live. Just talk to people. Joke around. Have fun. Drink. Laugh. You're bound to have a good time even if you lose if you follow that advice.

Also, its really fun to **** with live grinders. Play back at them. Show bluffs. Charge them to see your cards, etc. Just talk to them and talk about what you think players at the other end of the table have. Most will also give you good reads on the other players and tell you which other guys are regulars. You can pretty easily get way more respect than you deserve if you say the right things too.

id say its more like...

.5/1 online = 2/5 live
1/2 online = 5/10 live
2/4 online = 10/20 live

I'd say this is nowhere near close but I guess it depends on the game you're in.

One thing to add is that no live game plays "like" an online game for various reasons but if you were to take the average player in a 5-10NL game and empty out his brain you wouldn't find anywhere near as much good poker stuff compared to a 2.5 ptbb nl 200 reg.