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Old 02-02-2009, 01:39 PM   #26
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Re: optimal vpip/pfr for 100nl

Completely table dependant. If you're playing with a bunch of nits then obviously you want to be opening up more hands. If you're playing with a bunch of spewtards / calling stations then you want to tighten up a bit.
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Old 02-02-2009, 01:56 PM   #27
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Completely table dependant. If you're playing with a bunch of nits then obviously you want to be opening up more hands. If you're playing with a bunch of spewtards / calling stations then you want to tighten up a bit.
He is completely correct about Table and player dependency.

If you are a low stakes player I strongly recommend staying in the range above. This range I discussed does take that into account. Over time all the tables at that level should average out. It also allows room for 3 betting and stealing in the blinds. If you play too tight you are missing the opportunity to work on the "close calls" so to speak and missing a chance to make more $.

As a second note the comment about VPIP pf not mattering is absolutely absurd. Assigning opponent Hand ranges is a VERY important skill. Also if your pf VPIP is too high I promise that your pf play full of leaks. I am also sure that that guy believes his post flop play is somehow that good to compensate.
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Old 02-02-2009, 02:09 PM   #28
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Re: optimal vpip/pfr for 100nl

some 21/16 assclown slowrolled the hell out of me today... was it you?
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Old 02-02-2009, 04:37 PM   #29
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16/12 optimal......21/16 is LOL, you would be my fish.
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Old 02-02-2009, 04:40 PM   #30
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How many tables do you can play with these stats babar????
I would say 16. whatever my stats are, I can't play more than 16 tables anyway.
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Old 02-02-2009, 04:41 PM   #31
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Im assuming Full Ring;

VPIP should be between 16 to 18 (depending on style)
PFR - between 8 and 11 (depending on style)

This i am very confident about.

There are alot of ranges ppl can make money I just feel strongly this is were you want to be for max EV. %$win at showdown should be between 50% and 55%. Too high is not good either. Also BB/100 hand target should be 5 (assuming BB is big bet not big blind) this number will swing alot at those stakes.
LOL....shooting for 5BB/100 is like shooting for the stars at full ring. if you win at 3BB/100 you are vastly more solid than 99% of other regs. 16-17/12-13 is optimal at full ring. anyone who says any different is either a nit, or a spewtard or just sux at poker. and a big LOL goes out to having too high a showdown win% is bad. if i win 100% of my showdowns how is that bad?
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Old 02-02-2009, 04:52 PM   #32
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LOL....shooting for 5BB/100 is like shooting for the stars at full ring. if you win at 3BB/100 you are vastly more solid than 99% of other regs. 16-17/12-13 is optimal at full ring. anyone who says any different is either a nit, or a spewtard or just sux at poker. and a big LOL goes out to having too high a showdown win% is bad. if i win 100% of my showdowns how is that bad?
you should tell this to kelisitaan. Seriously, you play at nl200 and you don't know a **** about poker, you should seriously SHUT THE **** UP.
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Old 02-02-2009, 04:55 PM   #33
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you should tell this to kelisitaan. Seriously, you play at nl200 and you don't know a **** about poker, you should seriously SHUT THE **** UP.
lol....all these ******s that come in here and say omg you be playing 10/8 or 22/18 are just ******ed, 16/12 is 100% optimal. I 16 tabled 200NL and have been winning at 5BB/100 for the past 6 months. But to expect that from anyone playing any style other than 16/12 is just completely unrealistic. anyone who plays a 10/8 or a 12/9 and is shooting for 5BB/100 is just a ******. These players are my fish and are lucky to grind out 1BB/100.
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Old 02-02-2009, 04:57 PM   #34
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do the research yourself.....look up all the 100 and 200nl regs on tableratings and you will find that a VAST VAST majority of them grind out less than a 1BB/100 profit. The really really good ones typically grind out between 2-3BB/100 and the Exceptional few grind out greater than 3
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Old 02-02-2009, 04:58 PM   #35
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oh, and try learning proper english babar - 500th roast!
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Old 02-02-2009, 05:02 PM   #36
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my name is Babar, i have 211 poasts, and i play NL400-1000 so I am the man at poker. Uhhhhhh fish, the real men at poker use your buyin for the Big Blind. You don't know **** either.
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Old 02-02-2009, 05:05 PM   #37
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just looked up Kelisitaan on tableratings and he is a 3.36BB/100 winner.....how is that something i should tell him? Falls in line with exactly what I said, 3BB/100 is really exceptional and better than 99% of regs.
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Old 02-02-2009, 05:28 PM   #38
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Re: optimal vpip/pfr for 100nl

u should think twice before posting 5 posts in the row
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Old 02-02-2009, 05:29 PM   #39
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you should learn english properly before roasting on english speaking forums
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i hope u die
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Old 02-02-2009, 05:34 PM   #41
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lol wat
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Old 02-02-2009, 05:47 PM   #42
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classic! LOL
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Old 02-02-2009, 05:54 PM   #43
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16/12 optimal......21/16 is LOL, you would be my fish.
wat
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Old 02-02-2009, 06:04 PM   #44
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Re: optimal vpip/pfr for 100nl

15.33345/11.335667 anything else different will make you lose money in the long run
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Old 02-02-2009, 06:19 PM   #45
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I would say 16. whatever my stats are, I can't play more than 16 tables anyway.

So you can really play 16 tables with that stats...WOW thats just amazing..
I mean you have to put real hard focus on your postflop play to stay profitable with that...
I saw your graph that your post a while in other thread: nonshowdowns winnings are crazy good...
You found just another way to crush the games as LAG multitabler.
You earn all my respect.

and dont care about other guys who just try to piss you off because they never get to your class...
I mean you post your stats and post your really good looking graphs here and get piss off thats sucks...

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Old 02-02-2009, 06:23 PM   #46
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16/12 optimal......21/16 is LOL, you would be my fish.
your arrogance is cute but you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
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Old 02-02-2009, 06:24 PM   #47
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just looked up Kelisitaan on tableratings and he is a 3.36BB/100 winner.....how is that something i should tell him? Falls in line with exactly what I said, 3BB/100 is really exceptional and better than 99% of regs.
he plays mid and high stakes, he and several other MSNL regs could make 5ptbbs at .5/1 or 1/2 in their sleep
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Old 02-02-2009, 06:37 PM   #48
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Re: optimal vpip/pfr for 100nl

It depends on how others are playing at the table.

VPIP between 6-28
PFR between 2-28
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Old 02-02-2009, 06:45 PM   #49
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your arrogance is cute but you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
you sir have 63 poasts.....please stop giving your input where it does not belong
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Old 02-02-2009, 06:51 PM   #50
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Re: optimal vpip/pfr for 100nl

[x] garph since running at 16/12 16 tabling at 100nl and 200nl....



someone show me a garph that beats this 4.13BB/100 over the same sample size playing a much different style and i'll concede.

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