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02-02-2009 , 06:54 PM

#51

ForumUser

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kraada

For a serious answer, read this article.

vg ty

02-02-2009 , 06:57 PM

#52

babar86

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02-02-2009 , 07:01 PM

#53

DiscoBisco

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Quote:

Originally Posted by babar86

100 and 200nl sample size please, as this is what the OP pertains too, nobody cares what ur winrate at higher stakes games is playing a 21/18....the dynamic at these higher games obviously changes and a 16/12 is no longer optimal

02-02-2009 , 07:16 PM

#54

rossosud

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At 100NL there are alot players more than capable to win on Big Blind per full ring or 5BB/100. And the comment about 100% at SD is absolutely 100% wrong. There is no way that guy makes real money. You can make a call on the river know for a FACT you will not win 100% of the time purely because of pot odds. ALL pros i know that play above 100NL aim for 5BB/100. Also i know for a fact most of them are in the 55% range. And the BB/100 takes a long time to firm up it will swing alot. As you see above.

02-02-2009 , 07:18 PM

#55

DiscoBisco

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rossosud

im really not even sure what this means....is this english? what is a Big Blind per full ring? Thats a new term i havent heard of yet.

02-02-2009 , 07:20 PM

#56

rossosud

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if you are playing 16 tables at once and getting 4.31 BB/100 you should move up. Also im sure if you played 4 or 6 tables your BB/100 would increase

02-02-2009 , 07:27 PM

#57

DiscoBisco

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rossosud

if you are playing 16 tables at once and getting 4.31 BB/100 you should move up. Also im sure if you played 4 or 6 tables your BB/100 would increase

yes, i agree, however once you make the leap to 400NL the dynamic changes, and I would highly doubt I'd be more than a 1-2BB/100 winner there. I prefer to relax and pound the 200NL and 100NL to the tune of 4+BB/100. As far as playing less than 16 tables it doesn't seem worth my time. I'd rather not play than only play 8 tables.

02-02-2009 , 07:39 PM

#58

rossosud

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disco i dont believe you play 16 tables. When I play 100NL i make just above 4 BB (Big Bets/100 hands) and my game is no where near ready to play 16 tables or any type of high stakes. I have a pile of friends who do make 5 BB (big bet not big blind) per 100 hands.(at this level not high stakes like your quoting) I almost feel for the poor guy who made the original post. Does 16/12 work absolutely. Only difference between that and what I said is like 1 squeeze per 10 orbits. I would bet $500 you do not make over 4BB/100 hands playing 16 tables at once.

02-02-2009 , 07:42 PM

#59

Claudius Galenus

old hand

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lol @ postcount being an indicator of skill

lol @ 122k hand sample size proving anything

lol @ thinking that because you are a good winner at 1/2 you can dissertate with authority on what is optimal

02-02-2009 , 07:45 PM

#60

Claudius Galenus

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Quote:

Originally Posted by **********

you don't seem to understand that there is no magical difference between 1/2 and 2/4, if he can do that at 2/4 he can do as well or better at 1/2

02-02-2009 , 07:46 PM

#61

rossosud

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disco what sites do you play 16 tables at once i will go look and sit in to see

02-02-2009 , 07:49 PM

#62

DiscoBisco

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rossosud

ok, i will take that 500$ bet, i have several friends and witnesses that can prove i play 16 tables at a time playing 100 and 200nl.....ship the 500 please

02-02-2009 , 07:50 PM

#63

DiscoBisco

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rossosud

disco what sites do you play 16 tables at once i will go look and sit in to see

FTP.....i'm not telling you fools what my screen name is tho, so screw that idea.

02-02-2009 , 07:51 PM

#64

rossosud

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tell me sites I will sit in and watch ill even play 4 of them. I will see quickly how full of Sh*t you are. Trying it once and doing it regularly is a total different thing.

02-02-2009 , 07:52 PM

#65

rossosud

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If your good enough to do that you are NOT playing small stakes.

02-02-2009 , 07:54 PM

#66

rossosud

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us mediocre (at best) small stakes player are no where near good enough to do that. My bet is you are a 100 NL reg who makes a bit and like most of us work a real job. You are full of sh*t

02-02-2009 , 07:55 PM

#67

DiscoBisco

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rossosud

If your good enough to do that you are NOT playing small stakes.

you actually have this backwards......If i was beating higher stakes games for 4+BB/100 i would agree that I most likely could not be 16 tabling unless i was god. But 16 tabling the 100 and 200nl is mindlessly easy. Trust me dood this is very possible....most ppl 24 table on stars (granted they dont win at 4+BB/100)

02-02-2009 , 07:57 PM

#68

rossosud

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and guys i know that can mutlitable (more than 6 tables) are ALL able to easily win at $400 and $600 NL

02-02-2009 , 07:58 PM

#69

rossosud

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u dont 16 table one level then barely win one level above the "dynamic" you are full of it

02-02-2009 , 08:01 PM

#70

rossosud

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is there a single person online that believes this guy

02-02-2009 , 08:03 PM

#71

Claudius Galenus

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rossosud

us mediocre (at best) small stakes player are no where near good enough to do that. My bet is you are a 100 NL reg who makes a bit and like most of us work a real job. You are full of sh*t

umm even though he's acting like a douche 16 tabling 100nl or 200nl for 3-5ptbbs is nowhere near the impossibility you're making it out to be, you're going to lose your $500 here

02-02-2009 , 08:05 PM

#72

Claudius Galenus

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rossosud

is there a single person online that believes this guy

yes, why is it so hard for you to believe?

02-02-2009 , 08:05 PM

#73

rossosud

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it can be done i agree just not by that guy. I know ppl who can do it to but they are 5K regs.

02-02-2009 , 08:06 PM

#74

rossosud

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his statement about unable to play $400NL due to the change in dynamic is how I know he is full of it.

02-02-2009 , 08:08 PM

#75

Claudius Galenus

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rossosud

it can be done i agree just not by that guy. I know ppl who can do it to but they are 5K regs.

there are hundreds of regs who can 16 table without a problem, and of these probably the top 10% or so can win at that winrate. And im talking about 100nl and 200nl regs.

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