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09-02-2009 , 03:05 PM
shove all turns and rivers
09-02-2009 , 03:54 PM
[x] D'oh!
09-03-2009 , 07:39 AM
play sh/hu for a while - come back to FR

[x] worked for me
09-11-2009 , 01:50 PM


What do people make of this sample?
I think I need to tigten up earlier and 3bet more
09-18-2009 , 10:57 AM
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/3672/34153122.jpg
Ye, i'm a nit and my red line suxx.
I feel that fishes and regs kick me out of all pots, where I miss.
PF is quite OK?
I should add more agression, right?

PS nl50 is mixed with HA a bit, my stats are also 12/8/4 there.
09-21-2009 , 07:49 AM
is there an equivalent of poker ev for holdem manager? thanks.
10-03-2009 , 09:25 AM
yeah

in reports tab i think its '$ (EV adjusted)'

for garfs its 'all in EV'

in sessions its '$ EV'
10-04-2009 , 09:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by imfromsweden
Yeah, you guys might be right, but I just can't see myself playing 15/13 or whatever. I've tried it, but I kind of feel "inclosed" or something. It freaks me out not to open with ATC on the button... Maybe coaching isn't such a bad idea, after all?

(And I might might add that my EV adjusted winrate is above 2 BB/100 (I know, still sucks...), and I've had alot of coolers, so it might be just sample size as well (fingers crossed ))

And I've been thinking, is -32 BB/100 a good lose-rate from the BB? Maybe I've some troubles with my blind play?

I still feel like I'm getting better for every day. Maybe I'll just play some more hands and see what happens?
dunno if you're still looking for advice and what not but I'm pretty much in agreement with others. if you're literally opening ATC on the button thats pretty terribly bad no matter how good you are so if the others are correct about your postflop game it's really bad. also 22/20 is way way too loose for almost every full ring player, but you can go in between the extremes. i think for most players decent players 19/16ish is pretty effective (although in my small sample size PoorUser is playing **** like 39/20 and making money so wtf do i know?)
10-05-2009 , 05:18 PM
I'm always looking for advice, but my bad winrate was just because I sucked postflop. I've become a lot better since last time

Here's an update:





Note the winrate (and EV winrate is even higher)

And for the record, I play 23/21 now.

I'm playing 40/35 from the BTN, 65% steal overall, winning at a rate of 24 ptBB/100.

Playing a LAG game can be very profitable, if you know what you are doing. Which I clearly didn't in the begining.
10-05-2009 , 07:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by riksanchez
yeah

in reports tab i think its '$ (EV adjusted)'

for garfs its 'all in EV'

in sessions its '$ EV'
Thanks. I heard that it doesn't count the times you get coolered or something so it's not accurate?
10-06-2009 , 10:10 AM
from HEM topics:

'EV $ Diff (found in the Hands Tab)

This is calculated by taking your equity% of the total pot when you go all in and comparing that to what you actually won. So let's say I go all in with AA on an Axx flush draw flop againts a flush draw. I'm 80.5% to win with my set in a $400 pot.

80.5% x $400 = $322 so what it's saying is on average that I should win approximately $322 on average when I go all in with a set of Aces here vs. his flush draw.

If I win, I would win $400, so I've won $78 more than I would on average i.e running good/okay.
If I lose, I win $0, so I'm running $322 worse off than I would on average so im running bad.

EV $ Diff is displayed as minus when you win more than you should and a + sign when you lose more than you would with average luck. So in the examples above, when I lost with AA as a big favourite, my EV $ Diff would be displayed as +$322.

All In EV Line in Graph (Also $ EV Adjusted stat in the Reports tab)

This is calculated by taking the actual amount won and either deducting or adding the amount you would have won with average luck.

Example: Again let's use the scenario above where we had a set of Aces and got all in on the flop versus a flush draw with 80.5% equity in a $400 pot and let's say we won. The actual won is $400 but with average luck we would have only won $322, so we're running $78 better than someone with average luck.'

There are many problems when using this to determine you're luck though. An example is if someone is going all-in every hand, and you pick up KK and call, and he turns over AA. This is clearly a play with positive expectation, yet HEM will consider it a -$EV play. (cant be bothered to do the math but you get the idea).

ALot of people on this forum take the $EV line on the HEM graph as gospel that they are running terribly or whatever but it really has some huge flaws, and is not very accurate at all ie there are many 'luck' related things it doesnt take into account.
10-07-2009 , 11:49 PM
Sweet thanks for taking the time to write that
10-08-2009 , 09:18 AM
I think I play horrible from the BB.. any thoughts of you guys on what/how to improve?



thanks in advance
10-08-2009 , 01:32 PM
I lose at 64bb/100 (or at least I used to) from the BB so those are definitly OK lose rates.
10-10-2009 , 10:48 AM
u def seemed to have turned things arounf ims, congrats.
10-10-2009 , 12:25 PM
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10-11-2009 , 10:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by doperwt1
I think I play horrible from the BB.. any thoughts of you guys on what/how to improve?



thanks in advance
It could be that you're defending your blinds too much. (Although your fold to steal %s aren't shown so I can't be sure.)
Here's a note from Pokey's post on defending the blinds "A "BB/Hand" of about -0.375 would indicate that you were no better off putting money into the pot than if you had folded. If your "BB/Hand" is larger than that, then you typically win back some of your blind money when you put money into the pot from the blinds. That's all you can really hope for...Again, the magic number is for your "BB/Hand" to be bigger than -0.375; that means you're making back some of your blinds when you try to defend against a steal. If either of these numbers is lower than -0.375, you'd lose less money by always folding rather than doing what you're doing."
It seems to be that your 3bet from blinds might be a little high as well. That could be something to take a look at.
I would maybe take a look at some of the big loss hands where you defended/3bet from the blinds and see what you may have done differently to prevent/limit the losses. Are you defending/3betting just b/c you don't want people stealing in general? I would take a look & see if you have a good reason for your play (i.e. it should depend a lot on your opponent) or if you're just defending just for the sake of defending. Good luck with it.
10-11-2009 , 10:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by imfromsweden

And for the record, I play 23/21 now.

I'm playing 40/35 from the BTN, 65% steal overall, winning at a rate of 24 ptBB/100.

Playing a LAG game can be very profitable, if you know what you are doing. Which I clearly didn't in the begining.
vn man. how many tables can you play with that style?
10-11-2009 , 12:30 PM
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10-11-2009 , 01:21 PM
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/1227/pokerstats.jpg - Overall Stats
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/263/positionstats.jpg - Positional Stats

Hey everyone,

I am new to 2plus2 forums and would like some advice regarding my stats to date (please see above links). I started at 0.25/0.50 and was down about $35 through bad luck but also some tilt. I dropped to 0.10/0.20 and did well there so have since moved back up.

I used to play a lot of poker about 3 years ago and then quit for awhile as I used to get very stressed. I have got a hold of that now and think I play a strong game and have an excellent understand of the main ways to be a long-term winner.

My problem is it seems i may be too tight and missing out on other profitable situations I am unware of.

Any comments are welcome and I would really appreciate some tips on where I am lacking so I can improve my game further and then eventually move up to 0.50/1.00.

Thanks in advance all!

Geoff
10-11-2009 , 11:28 PM
At a glance, the gap between raise and call is a little high, if you are limping preflop don't - if you you enter a pot then raise. 30% WTSD is too high, you are probably making a few bad calls. Also, W$WSF is a little low, you need to try and take down more pots, probably caused by not being the aggressor enough preflop
10-12-2009 , 02:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gruuberuk

I started at 0.25/0.50 and was down about $35 through bad luck but also some tilt. I dropped to 0.10/0.20 and did well there so have since moved back up.
I'm thinking ur not following proper bankroll management
10-12-2009 , 06:33 AM
about 44k hands. y are i so swongy? any help greatly appreciated



10-12-2009 , 07:18 AM
Quote:
I'm thinking ur not following proper bankroll management
I understand your point here Jah Onion, but the main reason I moved up so quickley from 0.10/0.20 is to help clear the bonus, as it is just too slow at the lower levels. I started with $65 deposit and with the bonus I am now at $160 so in affect my "Poker Bankroll" is about $100 which equals 200BB @ 0.25/0.50. Also, I used to play at 0.50/1.00 3 years ago and made a profit, so I feel I can make money at 0.25/0.50 whilst appreciating I need to improve my game before moving up again.

Quote:
At a glance, the gap between raise and call is a little high, if you are limping preflop don't - if you you enter a pot then raise. 30% WTSD is too high, you are probably making a few bad calls. Also, W$WSF is a little low, you need to try and take down more pots, probably caused by not being the aggressor enough preflop
Thanks for your advice her Yemen - The first point is a good one and I have just bought the 'small stakes holdem' book which I used to own to improve my agression so this should help. Is this the only reason why my Vol$ stat is much lower than the usual 15-20 then, or do you think I am also folding too many hands and missing out on other profitable oppotunities? And when you talk about raising, it that in every case that if I am happy to call my hand on the flop then I should raise (e.g. QJo late position with 2 limpers)......does this change if there is a raise in front of me? (e.g. AJs in late position)?

My WTSD stat is probably a bit high due to calling too much sometime, but then other times I have folded to learn it was a bluff and missed out on fair sizable pots - If I have KK and there is no ace out and there is a lot of action with only 2 others in, should I not be check calling this to the end, or are you recommending I fold this if i'm confident I am probably behind?

Thanks again for your suggestions, I have found them very helpful and any more information would be greatly appreciated!

Geoff!
10-12-2009 , 08:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gruuberuk
I understand your point here Jah Onion, but the main reason I moved up so quickley from 0.10/0.20 is to help clear the bonus, as it is just too slow at the lower levels. I started with $65 deposit and with the bonus I am now at $160 so in affect my "Poker Bankroll" is about $100 which equals 200BB @ 0.25/0.50.
what happens if u buy in for 100BB @ .25/.5, get AA allin preflop vs KK and lose? Do you reload? If the next hand you get KK and get allin on K47 flop vs this massive fish who check raised allin with 58o, turn 2, river 6. What do you do?

      
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