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01-27-2012 , 08:05 PM

#1601

Slugant

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nice avatar rom
but rake reducation makes it less necessary to reach elite to get the big bucks
so less elites, but maybe more winning players? or is this to naive thinking?

Last edited by Slugant; 01-27-2012 at 08:11 PM.

01-27-2012 , 08:15 PM

#1602

Lifeislikethat

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Slugant

nice avatar rom
but rake reducation makes it less necessary to reach elite to get the big bucks
so less elites, but maybe more winning players? or is this to naive thinking?

the reduction is negligable at midstakes Those playing 400+ might see a few hundred extra per month because the pot size meets the cap so quickly.

Those grinding 50nl-200NL 150k hands per month will probably see an extra $400-500 added on to their winnings each month.

So no, not really.

01-27-2012 , 08:18 PM

#1603

hurt

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^ way off

01-27-2012 , 08:26 PM

#1604

Mayox

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Yeah where did you get those bs numbers from?

01-27-2012 , 08:32 PM

#1605

Lifeislikethat

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hurt

^ way off

Care to explain? Did I do somethign wrong?

I played just over 110k hands this month on Stars at 200FR. I have won at around 1.75ptbb/100
When I filter for pots that I won and saw a flop and filtered for those pots that are greater than 30bb and took off $.20 per pot (which hits the rake cap) and under 30bb the decrease from 5% to 4.5% was a few hundred $$ at most

01-27-2012 , 08:37 PM

#1606

hurt

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it's a 10% decrease in rake and 6.7% decrease in rake cap at 1/2. that's 10% decrease in rake minimum, not sure what the overall decrease will be. let's assume 13%. i played 175k hands of 1/2-3/6 this month (mostly 1/2). paid 15k in rake. i would have paid almost 2k less in rake this month. a lot more than a few hundred. and if i had played 88k hands (probably around what a lot of regs are playing) i would have saved 1k which is still pretty good.

01-27-2012 , 08:52 PM

#1607

Perfection

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Seems OK. Looking forward to reading them in full.

Disappointed because theres no way I can really get SNE now with an even further reduction in VPPs but at least my WR will go up to somewhat compensate.

Id guess Stars wants lower rake because they get taxed by governments on the basis of gross rake generated from their countries.

01-27-2012 , 09:14 PM

#1608

ashiXIII

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these changes are obviously awful for SNE, but maybe I'd actually be able to beat the games for more than .5bb/100 now.

01-27-2012 , 09:16 PM

#1609

Slugant

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hurt who are u on stars? or arent u outed yet?
i probably play u daily on 1/2 to 3/6

01-27-2012 , 09:20 PM

#1610

hurt

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lol you have me on skype. also we traded SN's over pms already. wtf.

01-27-2012 , 09:22 PM

#1611

Slugant

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wut? u sure?

01-27-2012 , 09:23 PM

#1612

hurt

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looking at the pm's right now.

01-27-2012 , 09:23 PM

#1613

d_smith77

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i forget sns now and then but once i found out who hurt was theres no chance id ever forget that. also excited to see if/what changes wrt my winrate when these changes go into effect

01-27-2012 , 09:26 PM

#1614

Slugant

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he was right, im wrong, terrible memory obv

also very curious as to how wr will increase

01-27-2012 , 09:56 PM

#1615

Jah Onion

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hurt

according to my calculations, the money i'll save from lower rake and the money i'll lose from the WC change will roughly negate eachother. however, lower rake is great for the poker ecosystem. especially at the micros. fish and bad regs will survive longer and be able to move up, etc.

SNE is still harder to attain but short term that is negated by SNE being worth more since you can easily maintain it throughout 2013.

IMO what was originally a terrible situation (change to WC) is now a better situation than it was pre-WC. so yeah, i'm a huge fan of these changes.

+1 to this

01-27-2012 , 10:06 PM

#1616

K_2

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whats the best way to use fpp's?

01-27-2012 , 10:07 PM

#1617

Jah Onion

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play a 1 table SNG with Marcel Luske

01-27-2012 , 10:09 PM

#1618

K_2

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did that, did sunday mill..cash seems to be the best, and event tourney tickets

01-27-2012 , 10:33 PM

#1619

gadolparah

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hats and tshirts

01-27-2012 , 11:59 PM

#1620

RKi

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So VPP/hand is gonna be even worse but rake will be less and we'll see winrate improvements?

01-28-2012 , 12:10 AM

#1621

CrazyNL

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yes

01-28-2012 , 12:42 AM

#1622

TwoSmeets

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Thanks for your work Klairic, looks like you guys did a good job. And props to Stars for doing right by the players.

01-28-2012 , 12:45 AM

#1623

TwoSmeets

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Just started using a 2-monitor setup. How do I make my tables all tile on one monitor so I can keep the other monitor free for lobby/hem/etc?

01-28-2012 , 01:20 AM

#1624

lydia12345

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TwoSmeets

Just started using a 2-monitor setup. How do I make my tables all tile on one monitor so I can keep the other monitor free for lobby/hem/etc?

In the lobby, go to "view" and then tile.

Or go to "view" and then play around with manage layouts.

01-28-2012 , 01:32 AM

#1625

fieldyb

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Put all the tables u want to tile to that 1 monitor and apply tile there. If u need to tile a few more on the 2nd monitor, do the same on the 2nd monitor and nothing on the first monitor should change.

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