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10-17-2012 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Pokie
This is correct because when fish suck out, they only win half the pot off you as opposed to winning a whole stack and fighting on for longer.

The great thing about RIT is that a lot of those AK vs QQ pre-flop stack-offs for 40bb's with the russian short stacks will now even out way quicker with you both just getting your money back most of the time.
and once again u assume like everybody will switch that feature on...
10-17-2012 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by d7o1d1s0
At no point did I say using RIT was -EV. What I did argue was that if everyone were to use it, it would have a negative affect on the player pool by making fish go broke in a more consistent and less exciting way.

However, I guess if people have to opt in to RIT then that kinda limits the problem to those recreationals who think they do have an edge/don't like variance.

Also, MeleaB's line about it leading to more aggro plays does hold some weight.
The fish will be happyier because they play would more all ins... And they will win more pots(even if its only 1/2 pot), and that might make them think that they are actually running better than before RIT was introduced. I think this will lead to more deposits.
10-17-2012 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by TimStone
run it twice is just idiotic for anyone who is properly rolled (bigsic said) it all.

it would be interesting for taking shots, but guess wat, teh good regs with whom u r flipping when u take that shot will not run it twice so it will not decrease variance to much...

it would be a nice thing if they'd ask u when u call b4 teh holecards are exposed if you want to run it twice, every reg would use that BvB probably, but as it is implemented atm is just a joke...
I'm sorry Tim but something that improves variance is better for all regs, particularly the better ones, and regardless of their bankrolls too. If anything, running it once helps the bad regs hold onto their money a bit longer.

If I get it all-in pre-flop with AA and a fish can't fold his TT, then it would normally take me 100 hands (in theory) with this exact scenario to occur in order to win 80% of the money off the fish and for the fish to get back the 20% of the money that he is entitled to.

With RIT enabled, it will only take me 50 hands (in theory) to get to that rightful 80% figure that I am looking for and deserve, so I get the correct proportional amount of the fish's money twice as fast.

Now obviously that amount of fish's cash may only be half as much as playing 100 hands with them, but timewise I can still play another 50 hands with them in this situation too, in order to get that next amount so that after 100 hands, I still have the same amount of money, but the mid-point of this time interval ensures that my winnings are correct earlier as over the whole 100 hands with RIT, I would have had 200 run-outs.
10-17-2012 , 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by TimStone
run it twice is just idiotic for anyone who is properly rolled (bigsic said) it all.

it would be interesting for taking shots, but guess wat, teh good regs with whom u r flipping when u take that shot will not run it twice so it will not decrease variance to much...

it would be a nice thing if they'd ask u when u call b4 teh holecards are exposed if you want to run it twice, every reg would use that BvB probably, but as it is implemented atm is just a joke...
What do you think about taking flips vs other equally skilled regs? Are you not affected at all by a session in witch you are 12 buy-ins under all in EV? Or a month in witch you are 5-10K$ below all in EV?
10-17-2012 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Pokie
I'm sorry Tim but something that improves variance is better for all regs, particularly the better ones, and regardless of their bankrolls too. If anything, running it once helps the bad regs hold onto their money a bit longer.

If I get it all-in pre-flop with AA and a fish can't fold his TT, then it would normally take me 100 hands (in theory) with this exact scenario to occur in order to win 80% of the money off the fish and for the fish to get back the 20% of the money that he is entitled to.

With RIT enabled, it will only take me 50 hands (in theory) to get to that rightful 80% figure that I am looking for and deserve, so I get the correct proportional amount of the fish's money twice as fast.

Now obviously that amount of fish's cash may only be half as much as playing 100 hands with them, but timewise I can still play another 50 hands with them in this situation too, in order to get that next amount so that after 100 hands, I still have the same amount of money, but the mid-point of this time interval ensures that my winnings are correct earlier as over the whole 100 hands with RIT, I would have had 200 run-outs.
Maybe variance does not affect TIM ever, but he knows it does affect other regs. In this case he has an edge over over regs that tilt too mutch. In this case RIT is very -EV for him.
10-17-2012 , 06:05 PM
todd if you werent so fast on the jesus i wouldn't have position on you on 14 tables right now
10-17-2012 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Pokie
I'm sorry Tim but something that improves variance is better for all regs, particularly the better ones, and regardless of their bankrolls too. If anything, running it once helps the bad regs hold onto their money a bit longer.
It doesn't 'improve' variance. It very slightly reduces it. And why do you assume bad regs inherently run better than good regs!?

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Originally Posted by Pokie
If I get it all-in pre-flop with AA and a fish can't fold his TT, then it would normally take me 100 hands (in theory) with this exact scenario to occur in order to win 80% of the money off the fish and for the fish to get back the 20% of the money that he is entitled to.
100 hands honestly!? I didn't know the long run was so well defined. Might want to re-read/burn that 'theory' book you read. Sheeesh.

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Originally Posted by Pokie
With RIT enabled, it will only take me 50 hands (in theory) to get to that rightful 80% figure that I am looking for and deserve, so I get the correct proportional amount of the fish's money twice as fast.
So fish bust quicker, with less variance. Sounds great for the games.

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Originally Posted by Pokie
Now obviously that amount of fish's cash may only be half as much as playing 100 hands with them, but timewise I can still play another 50 hands with them in this situation too, in order to get that next amount so that after 100 hands, I still have the same amount of money, but the mid-point of this time interval ensures that my winnings are correct earlier as over the whole 100 hands with RIT, I would have had 200 run-outs.
Is this even English!? Did you just divide 100 hands (which we've decided = the long run) in half to come up with this total garbage!?

I honestly hope you're just a troll with too much time on your hands. The alternative is just....wow.
10-17-2012 , 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by d7o1d1s0
It doesn't 'improve' variance. It very slightly reduces it. And why do you assume bad regs inherently run better than good regs!?



100 hands honestly!? I didn't know the long run was so well defined. Might want to re-read/burn that 'theory' book you read. Sheeesh.



So fish bust quicker, with less variance. Sounds great for the games.



Is this even English!? Did you just divide 100 hands (which we've decided = the long run) in half to come up with this total garbage!?

I honestly hope you're just a troll with too much time on your hands. The alternative is just....wow.
Are you a complete fool? The numbers were just there as a guide to demonstrate what I was talking about, hence why I followed the number of hands with '(in theory)' since I know that in practice it won't run that simply and predictably but I'm just trying to keep the scenario easy for someone like Tim to understand, (sorry Tim!). The '(in theory)' bit was supposed to cover myself already, to stop morons like you from being able to post the sort of post that you have, but you went ahead and did it anyway, well done. You're the sort of clown that just likes picking posts apart word for word, rather than actually offering decent, positive discussion. You're the kind of person that knows what the other person is saying but you enjoy picking at stuff just so that you can write a rude, obnoxious post, you look for any excuse to do it, fair play to you.

It's supposed to be a simple example to demonstrate something simple, ok.

As for the fish busting quicker, do we even know whether this effects whether they reload or not? The one advantage of fish busting quicker is we get their mulah faster and win rates increase, (good for the games), but there is the supposed counter argument that they might not reload, is that what the concern is over fish busting too quick?

Maybe if they bust super quick, the fish will almost be staggered with what has just happened and how he has lost a load of money so quickly, and then he will be angry and determined to get it back and will then reload.
10-17-2012 , 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by danuuutz
What do you think about taking flips vs other equally skilled regs? Are you not affected at all by a session in witch you are 12 buy-ins under all in EV? Or a month in witch you are 5-10K$ below all in EV?
i'm never under ev so cannot answer teh question properly...
10-17-2012 , 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by d7o1d1s0
It doesn't 'improve' variance. It very slightly reduces it. And why do you assume bad regs inherently run better than good regs!?



100 hands honestly!? I didn't know the long run was so well defined. Might want to re-read/burn that 'theory' book you read. Sheeesh.



So fish bust quicker, with less variance. Sounds great for the games.



Is this even English!? Did you just divide 100 hands (which we've decided = the long run) in half to come up with this total garbage!?

I honestly hope you're just a troll with too much time on your hands. The alternative is just....wow.
+1

He's posts... Tok myself in being frustrated of the garbage posts but ofc I should be happy to see this kind og logic on rival players.

Players that dont welcome rit can't ever have experienced horrible bad runs imo.... And by horrible I dont talk about something like 30.... Try run 150 below and see if you come to same conclusion!
10-17-2012 , 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by vinivici9586
todd if you werent so fast on the jesus i wouldn't have position on you on 14 tables right now
Im missing the party
10-17-2012 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by vinivici9586
todd if you werent so fast on the jesus i wouldn't have position on you on 14 tables right now
lol i've experienced this exact problem with Dante + catleonet too. Sometimes i wish i sucked more at jesus seating.

BTW, i chat banned myself so thats why im being so antisocial.
10-17-2012 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by RKi
BTW, i'm really antisocial so thats why im being so antisocial.
fyp.
10-17-2012 , 07:12 PM
What about the darts social visit 2 mins ago?
10-17-2012 , 07:42 PM
Yay, I'm getting better. My flop cbet stat now stands at 41% and it used to be 30%! :-D

I used to only cbet good boards but there aren't enough of those around to make me aggressive enough, so I've started cbetting bad boards too.

It makes my Af stat go up as well, who would have thought? :-)
10-17-2012 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Pokie
Yay, I'm getting better. My flop cbet stat now stands at 41% and it used to be 30%! :-D

I used to only cbet good boards but there aren't enough of those around to make me aggressive enough, so I've started cbetting bad boards too.

It makes my Af stat go up as well, who would have thought? :-)
im really bad at spotting levels, but i i'd say it's 95% likely you are one.
10-17-2012 , 08:14 PM
urghs... first time on 2+2 for ages... hey guys

probably has been discussed before, but i need a quick answer: does the updated PS version with run-it-twice work with HM1, or are there any problems while importing the new HHs? Does Tableninja work?
10-17-2012 , 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ishipkq
im really bad at spotting levels, but i i'd say it's 95% likely you are one.
Is this a level?
10-17-2012 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TimStone
it would be interesting for taking shots, but guess wat, teh good regs with whom u r flipping when u take that shot will not run it twice so it will not decrease variance to much...
I think RIT is pretty interesting for all breakeven or slightly winning shortstack regs...so basically for all shorties
10-17-2012 , 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Pokie
My flop cbet stat now stands at 41% and it used to be 30%! :-D
hi kreuznagel
10-17-2012 , 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by woolly
hi kreuznagel
really woolly and pokie? I did not expect that...
10-17-2012 , 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ishipkq
im really bad at spotting levels, but i i'd say it's 95% likely you are one.
u leveling uself, hes not a level, hes POKEY!
10-18-2012 , 02:10 AM
Tableninja stopped working after the last update. Dont update the client if you wanna play.
10-18-2012 , 02:26 AM
Tableninja worked fine for me.

      
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