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NL100:  AA sticky flop spot NL100:  AA sticky flop spot

08-02-2008 , 07:04 PM
BB is 7/5/2 over 60 hands
CO is a multitabling spewtard of some sort playing around 33/14/1


$0.50/$1 No Limit Holdem
10 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($37.55)
UTG+1 ($103.10)
UTG+2 ($42.20)
MP1 ($96.70)
MP2 ($20.05)
MP3 ($89.85)
CO ($117.10)
BTN ($75.50)
Hero ($117.55)
BB ($105.55)

Pre-flop: ($1.50, 10 players) Hero is SB A A
UTG calls $1, 5 folds, CO bets $3.50, 1 fold, Hero bets $13, BB calls $12.50, UTG folds, CO calls $10

Flop: Q J 9 ($41.50, 3 players)
Hero ??
08-02-2008 , 08:04 PM
you get any action on that flop and bing out of position, you will never be much of a favorite. i would check it and look to fold depending on how the action goes. hoping it gets checked around and you can catch a heart or an eight .
08-02-2008 , 08:06 PM
Just check for pot control
08-02-2008 , 10:24 PM
Checking is dumb b/c it gives them free cards to burn you. Bet the flop and then you can check turn for pot control
08-02-2008 , 10:28 PM
Flop

Hero bets $30
BB goes all-in
Hero folds
08-03-2008 , 03:02 AM
Hero bets $20, BB calls $20, CO folds.

TURN [5] ($81.50, 2 players)

Any more money going in?
08-03-2008 , 04:45 AM
Nope...I would check this
08-03-2008 , 05:27 AM
Checkfold, c/c or c/r? Obviously I'm only really ahead of KK, but that's a big chunk of his range and if I were villain I would bet most of my range after a check

Last edited by Specialwon; 08-03-2008 at 05:52 AM.
08-03-2008 , 05:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RivrMeaDream
Checking is dumb b/c it gives them free cards to burn you. Bet the flop and then you can check turn for pot control
This is not true.

Just look at villains possible holdings and figure out how many outs they have against us in case none of them does have QQ,JJ,99:
AK has 4 outs, KK has 6 outs, TT actually has the most outs vs us. FD's have eight outs vs plus we'd have a redraw and with the Ah and the Jh not being available there shouldn't be too many heart draws out there.
All underpairs have 2 outs.

Checking the flop also underreps your hand and might give you the chance to either VB thin if turn and river blank off or to snap off a bluff / a VB with a weaker hand by villain.

@Ray: I don't really get your last sentence, do you mean "catch a heart or an A"? Cause an 8 is surely not a good card for us.

Oh and one more thing: betting the flop and checking the turn basically turns your hand face up here as an overpair (AA,KK) and maybe stuff like AQ, so every halfway decent opponent might decide to bluff the river knowing you'll have a hard time calling big bets with a 1 pair holding on a wet board.
08-03-2008 , 08:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Specialwon
Checkfold, c/c or c/r? Obviously I'm only really ahead of KK, but that's a big chunk of his range and if I were villain I would bet most of my range after a check
I'd check/fold to a bet more than $35ish. Less than that, I'd call. Very marginal spot.
08-03-2008 , 01:54 PM
We have to get away from the "Ooooooooooh Bullets!" mentality and realize this is one of the worst flops for AA.
08-03-2008 , 02:33 PM
check and fold to decent bet. This is a nasty spot, but i think only hands that beat you will bet, except for maybe KK.

I would imagine that AK, TT, FD or any kind of underpair would just check behind. Also, 7/5 is pretty nitty so villain might well check behind w/ KK as they will be hard pressed to think of hands they beat.

If they check behind and river is a blank then I'd check again. Hands you beat will probably VB and missed flush may bluff, so u can snap them off
08-03-2008 , 02:38 PM
lots of different responses here because of the stakes can have a big effect on play of this type of hand. as the stakes get bigger(meaning the players are better) aces do worse as the betting gets going.
in the bigger no limit games aces will get broke much of the time unless they draw out if the pot is played for signicant money.

and alex an eight is great for the hand. you have to figure that out for yourself.
08-03-2008 , 02:56 PM
Interesting responses, thanks everyone.

Anyone care to put villain on a hand range by the turn? I have a hard time putting him outside of AA-QQ because

a) he's tight as hell
b) he's unimaginative playing those nitty stats, maybe not realising that I can be 3betting somewhat light here against spewtard.

I kind of agree this is about as bad a flop as you could see - at least with KQJ I can checkfold and feel great.

Ray, I guess you're meaning that an 8 would cool the action, which is what we want, whilst only helping TT, which he probably doesn't have.
08-03-2008 , 04:33 PM
Ray- I doubt an 8 would really cool the action that much, as villain would have absolutely no reason to think that we had a 10 anyway.

I think villains range should be heavily weighted to KK and QQ (maybe 88). I'd like a bigger sample size to be sure but most nits would fold rather than call pre with JJ-.

As there are more combinations of KK than QQ. I'd just keep betting to try and value town KK. Nits like this hate folding Big pairs

      
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