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NL: 0 To Value Bet Or Not To Value Bet? NL: 0 To Value Bet Or Not To Value Bet?

10-11-2009 , 12:07 AM
Villain is 71/14/6 over 14 hands.

I have first hand witnessed villain playing poorly already.

$1.00/$2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players

UTG: $342.70
UTG+1: $39.00
UTG+2: $217.50
Hero (MP1): $205.05
MP2: $199.45
CO: $63.65
BTN: $181.00
SB: $229.35
BB: $102.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is MP1 with A T
3 folds, Hero raises to $6.00, 4 folds, BB calls $4

Flop: ($13.00) Q A 9 (2 players)
BB bets $2.00, Hero raises to $14.00, BB calls $12

Turn: ($41.00) K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $20.00, BB calls $20

River: ($81.00) 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero???

It seems like the only thing we are losing to is AJ right?

All other two pair+ hands would have shown some more aggression by now.

I hate missing value bets, but is this a bit thin?

Check or Bet and if betting how much?

Look forward to your comments and input.
10-11-2009 , 01:03 AM
43
and yes its a bet vs this villian.
10-13-2009 , 05:16 AM
cool thanks Zugz, I thought so, just checking.
10-13-2009 , 10:54 AM
i would def vb in lots of Qx and 9x type hands in his range.
10-13-2009 , 11:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by zugzwangg
43
and yes its a bet vs this villian.
Villain has put $36 of his $102 into the pot. Pot is $81. I'm torn between a value $20 or a real $66/$81 bet. I'm prob going $66.
10-13-2009 , 11:46 AM
i would just shove here i think
10-13-2009 , 12:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by La Ultima Cerveca
i would just shove here i think
is a shove here ever bluffing? even against a bad opponent, he must know we can't have any missed draws and that our hand looks super strong (stronger than it actually is).
10-13-2009 , 02:08 PM
Yeah I def value bet here against someone this bad.
10-13-2009 , 02:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by funkyfood
is a shove here ever bluffing? even against a bad opponent, he must know we can't have any missed draws and that our hand looks super strong (stronger than it actually is).
im not sure what you mean with bluffing but i think he calls with a ton of worse Ax and even random Qx sometimes.also all in isnt even full pot here

oh, now i see what you mean.well yes ,he only beats bluffs with AX but hes a random halfstack who seems to be horrible,these guys dont think about our hand
10-13-2009 , 07:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by La Ultima Cerveca
im not sure what you mean with bluffing but i think he calls with a ton of worse Ax and even random Qx sometimes.also all in isnt even full pot here

oh, now i see what you mean.well yes ,he only beats bluffs with AX but hes a random halfstack who seems to be horrible,these guys dont think about our hand
i was saying that if we shove, we are in theory polarizing our range and finding a bluff in our line is pretty tough, so we are repping the nuts pretty hard.

since he's ****ty and i don't think he's folding any hand that beats us regardless of how strong our hand looks, i think we should try to get value from a queen, king and worse aces by betting less.
10-13-2009 , 11:25 PM
Wow thanks all for the responses, let's not forget that the hand sample is only 14 hands & I suppose that is what had me a little confused. It actually turned out the villain was a super passive scardy cat & picked off my bet with Two Pr.

Betting is definately right here though. As a couple of posts suggessted I was aiming to get Ax, Qx & Kx hands to call more often than just weaker aces occassionally with a bigger bet.

Here is the full hand history.

$1.00/$2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players

UTG: $342.70
UTG+1: $39.00
UTG+2: $217.50
Hero (MP1): $205.05
MP2: $199.45
CO: $63.65
BTN: $181.00
SB: $229.35
BB: $102.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is MP1 with A T
3 folds, Hero raises to $6.00, 4 folds, BB calls $4

Flop: ($13.00) Q A 9 (2 players)
BB bets $2.00, Hero raises to $14.00, BB calls $12

Turn: ($41.00) K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $20.00, BB calls $20

River: ($81.00) 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $30.00, BB calls $30

Final Pot: $141.00
BB shows K 9
BB wins $138.00
(Rake: $3.00)
10-13-2009 , 11:32 PM
i woulda valuebet like 40-45. i guess it kinda sucks that he had two pair, he played it well
10-14-2009 , 12:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DoctorFarha
i woulda valuebet like 40-45. i guess it kinda sucks that he had two pair, he played it well
He played it terribly, imo.
10-14-2009 , 04:51 AM
Don't be upset and result oriented. I think its a great value bet plus you could add this to your notes on this fellow for future reference. Nh.
10-14-2009 , 07:35 AM
lol not shoving here is really bad 50bbs lol
10-14-2009 , 07:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by funkyfood
is a shove here ever bluffing? even against a bad opponent, he must know we can't have any missed draws and that our hand looks super strong (stronger than it actually is).
unrelated to the hand you can't really give a 71% vpip villain credit for being able to read miss draw bluffs and such.

      
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