Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
100NL AQ High On River, Call All-In?? 100NL AQ High On River, Call All-In??

02-02-2008 , 06:30 PM
Villain is 40/20 and seems to be standard losing player. I put him on a flush draw b/c of the action on flop. That's why I continue on the turn, and he calls pretty much confirming my original thoughts.

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (MP2): $104
CO: $48.50
BTN: $127.75
SB: $174.05
BB: $101.50
UTG: $36.65
UTG+1: $154.35
MP1: $98.50

Pre-Flop: A Q dealt to Hero (MP2)
UTG calls $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $5, CO folds, BTN calls $5, 3 folds

Flop: ($12.50) 6 J 3 (2 Players)
Hero bets $9, BTN calls $9

Turn: ($30.50) 2 (2 Players)
Hero bets $25, BTN calls $25

River: ($80.50) 9 (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $88.75 and is All-In, Hero???


I think this a missed flush by this particular player 99.9% of the time. He would try to get value out of a J or two pair even. He pretty much snap called on the flop and turn.

Any thoughts? I think calling here is tough, but correct nonetheless.

-TylerT
02-02-2008 , 06:37 PM
You've put in 40 bucks and wanna call 90 more with ace high on river? I guess if your read is that 'dead on' or you have a note of him shoving rivers when he misses draws, then take the gamble, you seem extremely confident of the decision but I think it's kind of a hero play and spewy.
02-02-2008 , 06:53 PM
uhh, fold.
02-02-2008 , 07:28 PM
not gonna read thread, but want to point out that i can recall two times when i called with aq or aj for big bets on river and lost to ak, or 22 in the pocket. id save those hero calls for small pairs and ak, a well timed called by ak will make you want to kill youself seriousl
02-02-2008 , 07:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TylerT
I think this a missed flush by this particular player 99.9% of the time.
Then call.
02-02-2008 , 08:08 PM
lol @ saying this is a missed flush draw 99.9 percent of the time and then asking us if we can fold. I'll be honest and say your math is a tinyyyyyyyyy bit off but if it's even 50 percent of the time he makes this move with a missed flush draw you have to call.
02-02-2008 , 08:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
Then call.
Yea, your getting odds. But seriously, this is never a call for me even if i got a good read. Even if he thinks he is bluffing he most likely has you beat anyway with a small pair. I give up on the turn.
02-02-2008 , 08:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TylerT
Villain is 40/20 and seems to be standard losing player. I put him on a flush draw b/c of the action on flop. That's why I continue on the turn, and he calls pretty much confirming my original thoughts.

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (MP2): $104
CO: $48.50
BTN: $127.75
SB: $174.05
BB: $101.50
UTG: $36.65
UTG+1: $154.35
MP1: $98.50

Pre-Flop: A Q dealt to Hero (MP2)
UTG calls $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $5, CO folds, BTN calls $5, 3 folds

Flop: ($12.50) 6 J 3 (2 Players)
Hero bets $9, BTN calls $9

Turn: ($30.50) 2 (2 Players)
Hero bets $25, BTN calls $25

River: ($80.50) 9 (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $88.75 and is All-In, Hero???


I think this a missed flush by this particular player 99.9% of the time. He would try to get value out of a J or two pair even. He pretty much snap called on the flop and turn.

Any thoughts? I think calling here is tough, but correct nonetheless.


-TylerT

It'd be pretty sick if villain shows up w/ 45(diamonds), Ad2d or Ad3d or some other 3dxd/2dxd combo. I think there are a LOT of missed FDs in his range that beat you. Against a player like this, waiting for a better hand to snap him off is probably better than making allin calls with A high.
02-02-2008 , 08:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Patchy
Yea, your getting odds. But seriously, this is never a call for me even if i got a good read. Even if he thinks he is bluffing he most likely has you beat anyway with a small pair. I give up on the turn.
BUT HE HAS A FLUSH DRAW 99.9 PERCENT OF THE TIME
02-02-2008 , 08:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ExPLoSiVe999
BUT HE HAS A FLUSH DRAW 99.9 PERCENT OF THE TIME
I need to find me one of these odds calculators that tell me to the tenths place what % of the time a villain has a particular hand.
02-02-2008 , 08:32 PM
If you really estimate Villain to have an FD 40% or more here (I say 40% because you have to take into account the times a flush draw actually beats you), you should call. However, 38/17s simply don't understand their own hands and might show up with some like ridiculous 88 here.
02-02-2008 , 08:59 PM
Quote:
I think this a missed flush by this particular player 99.9% of the time.
If you are that confident, you don't have to ask. In fact, it's nearly the easiest call possible.
02-02-2008 , 09:03 PM
>_<
02-02-2008 , 09:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by overun
I need to find me one of these odds calculators that tell me to the tenths place what % of the time a villain has a particular hand.
lol
02-04-2008 , 12:38 AM
what you don't know is that a lot of missed FD's turn their hands into bluffs, but are still value betting them against your AQ (on accident of course)
02-04-2008 , 01:36 AM
The only problem with calling here to pick off a bluff is that in many cases, you can't even beat a bluff.
02-04-2008 , 07:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by il_martilo
The only problem with calling here to pick off a bluff is that in many cases, you can't even beat a bluff.
that's what she said, and that's what i said.
02-04-2008 , 09:27 PM
If this is a missed FD 99.99% of the time, you cannot fold. Ever.

      
m