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embarrassing question: cold calling OOP in the blinds? (move to microstakes?) embarrassing question: cold calling OOP in the blinds? (move to microstakes?)
View Poll Results: do you cold call lp reg's opens when in the blinds?
yes, often
7 23.33%
yes, sometimes
18 60.00%
no
5 16.67%

08-01-2009 , 09:05 AM
yo.

believe it or not Im a long time winning regular

I play a standard unspectacular tag game, a bit on the looser side of my fellow nitty tag regs (ipoker)
15/13 in july.

whats not so standard is I almost never cold call OOP from the blinds.
Im adjusting my 3b frequency to villains etc so its not like Im doing horrible,
but history has shown so far everything I did that was "unique" was wrong or at least suboptimal..

I play other regs all day (****ty games), of course I do cold call fish if its appropiate,
but if a standard 13/11 reg opens from lp its 3b/fold for me.

huge leak?

an advantage of no cc is imo that I never have to slowplay my top hands pf,
oop generally sucks as does not having the initiative and not really being able to represent big hands,
its harder to extract value and so on..

still I see other regs cold calling all day, mostly with sc, low-middle pairs, suited aces (?) I presume..

since the pfa's range is quite weak they basically call pf to move them off their hand post, but with a med-weak range?

after 100ks hands I think I can say they very rarely "trap" with their big hand by cc
I think this is because they know they have to 3bet something and worry about getting respect for their 3bets,
so they have to 3bet them..

so, do you cold call lp reg's opens when in the blinds?
08-01-2009 , 03:54 PM
I hardly ever cold call OOP anymore and I agree with you. Although I am thinking that you could in fact develop a complete donk betting strategy which would actually be hard to play against... (and some c/c, donk turn)
obviously it's very hard to play hands if you only check first to act imo and your opponent can play perfectly against you.

Donk your sets (and 45, Tx...) on T32 flops and donk with air too... I'm not sure though, that's definitely not standard but I think it's worth a thought
08-02-2009 , 07:54 AM
I see, this is a heavily debated topic

ty for your answer mastertop
08-02-2009 , 10:09 AM
Short answer: Yes, I call sometimes, fold sometimes, and raise sometimes. Only 3b or folding to a steal is bad and exploitable.

Long answer: There are so many variables in effecting this decision that your trying to reduce this to a simple 'yes or no' question is going to get you nowhere.

What is PFR's ATS? What hand do you have? What's his fold to 3bet? His post-flop aggression? His flop c-bet%? What's his view of you? Does he know a likely range for you CC'ing his steal? Is he good? Are you good? Recent history? Does he light 4-bet?

Do you think about any of this stuff? Or are you just saying "OMG I have AJo, I'm ahead of his range, I 3-bet!!!"
08-02-2009 , 10:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mastertop101
Although I am thinking that you could in fact develop a complete donk betting strategy which would actually be hard to play against... (and some c/c, donk turn)
obviously it's very hard to play hands if you only check first to act imo and your opponent can play perfectly against you.

Donk your sets (and 45, Tx...) on T32 flops and donk with air too... I'm not sure though, that's definitely not standard but I think it's worth a thought
There is no algorithm to play by that a good player can't quickly adjust to and defeat.
08-02-2009 , 10:15 AM
ofc .. it's yes sometimes
but it realy depends on bunch of factors... and it all comes down to knowing ur opponent
08-02-2009 , 06:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OMGitsCheddar
What is PFR's ATS? What hand do you have? What's his fold to 3bet? His post-flop aggression? His flop c-bet%? What's his view of you? Does he know a likely range for you CC'ing his steal? Is he good? Are you good? Recent history? Does he light 4-bet?

Do you think about any of this stuff? Or are you just saying "OMG I have AJo, I'm ahead of his range, I 3-bet!!!"
I do think of all of this (except for the cc range because I dont cc obv)
but it doesnt really help convincing me a cc strategy is better than a 3b/fold only strategy..
08-02-2009 , 06:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by railgun
ofc .. it's yes sometimes
but it realy depends on bunch of factors... and it all comes down to knowing ur opponent
yes of course.. but we "know" our opponent here,
he is a 16/13-12/9 (this is 10max so you can add 1 if thinking 9max),
multitabling reg with a 25-35% ats or is this too broad?

      
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