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Originally Posted by Acevader
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Originally Posted by GalacticRewind
Interesting. So when AF is high on the flop, but low on the turn, that is a signal to you that you can float more often.
Do the actual raw scores of AF matter to you here? Or are you looking to simply see a large % drop from flop to turn, and the actual AF scores do not need to fall within strict ranges? How much of a drop do you need?
I'm not entirely convinced. A high flop AF could indicated that villain cbets a lot. However, the specific cbet stat is far more useful. A low turn AF probably indicates that he doesn't barrel that often (again, turn cbet stat is better) but that doesn't mean he gives up. A low Afreq might tell you that but a low AF might mean that he goes into check-call mode when floated meaning you'd burn money to auto-bluff this player. Better to look at flop cbet vs turn cbet to determine how much villain slows down. Then look at WTSD and perhaps turn AFreq. If both are low then you can float and bet when checked to. If not, be careful!
What would be the
actual stat ranges for making this float play?
Instead of just asking the question, I am going to try to give some of the answer too, but I am not at all sure about what I have put together here. If anyone sees a mistake, then let me know. If you think the whole thing is just wrong, then say so, but please give some reasons, and give a couple examples. Note that I did not include VPIP/PFR in my examples, so they might be missing some important information.
To do the float, I want to see a drop between CB_Flop and CB_Turn; and to see a low WTSD; and to see a low AFreq_Turn. So I tried to put together some guidelines for the float play. Here are the guidelines that I came up with:
- CB_Flop, 70+ is high values to drop from (62 is on the lower side)
- CB_Turn, 35 or less is low values to drop to (53 is on the higher side)
- AFreq_Turn, 0-21 is is very low (32 is on the higher side)
- WTSD, 0-19 is very low (27 is on the higer side)
Now for some examples. Say that Hero is the BTN or CO, there is a preflop raise in front of him, and he calls. Villain then c-bets the flop. Should Hero try to float?
Case 1: Villain's stats are CB_Flop 75, CB_Turn 30, AFreq_Turn 19, WTSD 17. Hero should float.
Case 2: Villain's stats are CB_Flop 68, CB_Turn 37, AFreq_Turn 23, WTSD 20. This one is closer, but I think Hero should float.
Case 3: Villain's stats are CB_Flop 70, CB_Turn 34, AFreq_Turn 21, WTSD 29. There is a very nice drop in CB% from flop to turn, but Hero should not float b/c Villain is too likely to go into check-call mode.
Case 4: Villain's stats are CB_Flop 64, CB_Turn 41, AFreq_Turn 23, WTSD 21. I am not sure about this one. We do see a good drop in CB% from the flop to the turn, but CB_Turn is not exactly in the low range. I would like some opinions here.
Case 5: Villain's stats are CB_Flop 67, CB_Turn 48, AFreq_Turn 29, WTSD 25. Hero should not float. The CB% drop from flop to turn is there, but it is not that great, and WTSD is sort of on the higher side.
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If you want to know how I came up with the guidelines, here is how I did it (this is not the main point of my post, it is here just to show some more information). If you decide to read this extra stuff, and you think I made a mistake, then say so.
I want a low AFreq_Turn. For this stat, I will say that 22-25 is starting to get low, and 33-37 is starting to get high. 19 would be really low, and 40 would be really high. So for AFreq_Turn, I say anything under 21% is very low.
I want a low WTSD. For this stat, I will say that 20-23 is starting to get low, and 25-28 is starting to get high. 18 is really low, and 30 is really high. So for a low WTSD, I say anything under 19% is very low.
Now for the drop between CB_Flop and CB_Turn. I think this is the hardest part to figure out. For CB_Flop, I say that 58-61 is starting to get low, and 72-77 is starting to get high. 44 is really low, and 81 is really high. CB_Flop is the high side of the drop, so I want high values. 70+ and I have high values.
For CB_Turn, I say that 36-39 is starting to get low, and 51-54 is starting to get high. 27 is really low, and 56 is really high. CB_Turn is the low side of the drop, so I need low values. 35% or less and I have low values.