UTG+1 : 13/6 regular over 410 hands UTG stats: 9/6 fold to 3 bet 50%
CO: 17/12/3 regular with 3 bet: 6% over 370 hands

standard 4 bet/fold spot?

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NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
Hero ($106)
BB ($39.15)
UTG ($32)
UTG+1 ($100)
CO ($100)
BTN ($98.90)

Dealt to Hero Q Q

fold, UTG+1 raises to $3.50, CO raises to $12, fold, fold,

Hero ???

shove

fold, there i said it

Yea fold. A 4bet is just gonna get way too much respect here to get it in vs worse and COs 3bet range is probably ridic polar and its not like he's gonna bluff shove over a cold 4bet anywhere near often enough. Flatting is not terrible but your gonna be playing a face up range so its gonna be tough to do anything postflop that is profitable.

4bet/fold is pretty lame because I mean essentially you are turning your hand into a bluff just because you don't wanna fold queens, and we have no read that either of these guys are prone to flatting 4bets with anything, if they do flat its prob gonna be like a tarp with the nuts most of the time.

ok make sense.

It's so weird hearing jessyj say shove and Joop say fold...feels like I'm in Bizarroworld.

FWIW, I fold here pretty comfortably

Standard jj level

I stoved it:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

59,930,640 games 0.094 secs 637,560,000 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.366% 45.79% 01.58% 27440794 945878.00 { QcQd }
Hand 1: 52.634% 51.06% 01.58% 30598090 945878.00 { JJ+, AKs, AKo }


So Its almost a coinflip right...?

What are your 3b%/4b%?

The LP 3better is never going to shove AK if you run tight, 3% 3b, std 2%4b

Who's shoving JJ vs a cold-4bet in these positions?

fold dizzle.

you have .50 cents invested. fold.

To shove here is obvisouly a high variance play BUT my gut tells me to shove.

folding makes sence, shoving doesn't.

How is this not a 4 bet? People 3 bet light all the time...ever hear of 67hh?

QQ is huge against a 6% 3-bettor. Blast over the top and feel good about it.

And you suddenly forgot that mr. utg+1 has folded before its his turn to act or wat?

yeah you right if I make it to 27 JJ would fold I guess.
I dont know about AK but I am in a bad shape anyway..
So folding is maybe the best option...

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

47,944,512 games 0.125 secs 383,556,096 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 39.857% 39.64% 00.22% 19005028 104399.00 { QcQd }
Hand 1: 60.143% 59.92% 00.22% 28730686 104399.00 { KK+, AKs, AKo }

funny, noone wants to call and play some poker....

lot of poker face up oop

I call sometimes here but it seems to never go my way so more often than not its a fold for me. Pretty sure no one wants to call because no one wants to play some poker.....OOP.

6% 3bettor isn't ridiculously high, not to the point to where I'd think hes 3betting UTG's often. With the added danger of UTG having your hand crushed I think this is a close fold.