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10-03-2013 , 02:37 AM

Gatavas19

grinder

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 402

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #19785731

BB: $40 (40 bb)
UTG+1: $40 (40 bb)
UTG+2: $44.50 (44.5 bb)
MP1: $114.62 (114.6 bb)
MP2: $100 (100 bb)
MP3: $50.57 (50.6 bb)
Hero (CO): $107.48 (107.5 bb)
BTN: $38.50 (38.5 bb) 12/11 over 1.5k masstabling shortie. FtCB 50(12) 25% call and 25% raise
SB: $103.62 (103.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T

4 folds, MP3 calls $1, Hero raises to $4, BTN calls $4, 3 folds

Flop: ($10.50) 6

(2 players)
Hero bets $5.25, BTN raises to $34.50 and is all-in, Hero?

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With 66 or 44 i think he would flat OTF. With Qx i think he also would flat. Or can he do this with Qx and rep a draw? We also have the NFD, so he can't have it.

10-03-2013 , 10:48 AM

13_Xerxes

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,968

LOL, 40bb, I SNAAAAAAAAAAAP, I don't care about his range, I just want to suckout if he got me beat.

10-03-2013 , 12:15 PM

woolly

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yeah i generally dont fold draws against SSers either. team soviet union can show up with all sorts of junk here.

10-03-2013 , 12:30 PM

MeleaB

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Such a trivial decision given the price.

10-03-2013 , 01:44 PM

Gatavas19

grinder

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Yeah, so the best decision is to slowroll/call

10-03-2013 , 02:21 PM

DanielLiu

adept

Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 862

Quote:

Originally Posted by woolly

yeah i generally dont fold draws against SSers either. team soviet union can show up with all sorts of junk here.

For that matter what is the bottom of our range for bet-calling ai here ?

I think JJ/QK for me . Pref QK no spade, or JJ with a spade

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Not surprised if villain shows worse FD

10-03-2013 , 02:25 PM

Jah Onion

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gatavas19

4 folds, MP3 calls $1, Hero raises to $4, BTN calls $4, 3 folds

Flop: ($10.50) 6

(2 players)
Hero bets $5.25, BTN raises to $34.50 and is all-in, Hero?

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With 66 or 44 i think he would flat OTF. With Qx i think he also would flat. Or can he do this with Qx and rep a draw? We also have the NFD, so he can't have it.

oldschool?

10-03-2013 , 03:08 PM

di0d80

old hand

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,459

Snap ainec, not just for stacking shorties.. I honestly think we're ahead/have enough equity waaaay more than he does.

10-03-2013 , 03:09 PM

MeleaB

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gatavas19

We also have the NFD, so he can't have it.

I've run this past a few people in my Skype strat group and they have confirmed it.

10-03-2013 , 03:30 PM

#10

Jah Onion

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Both you and the people you asked must be rly bad since all of you failed to mention he can have the 57s for the NSFD

10-03-2013 , 06:31 PM

#11

MeleaB

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jah Onion

Both you and the people you asked must be rly bad since all of you failed to mention he can have the 57s for the NSFD

Well, we considered 87s.

10-03-2013 , 07:46 PM

#12

DanielLiu

adept

Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 862

Okay guys the next time you see a shortstacker limp-call with 75s/78s with stats such as

12/11 over 1.5k masstabling shortie. FtCB 50(12) 25% call and 25% raise. Please let me known. ScreenShot/Hand history Proof.

My experience a limp-call by mass-tablers is almost 100% 22-66. Especially from those positions. 66/44 weighted heavily. 6 combos of sets. 78s 75s ; 2 combos.

I'd still get it in since gotta gamble it up! May as well do it vs a SS.

10-03-2013 , 08:14 PM

#13

Jah Onion

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not sure why ppl are taking that post srsly lol

10-04-2013 , 01:56 AM

#14

Gatavas19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DanielLiu

BTN is the shortie

MP just limp/folded.

10-04-2013 , 03:50 AM

#15

DanielLiu

adept

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gatavas19

BTN is the shortie

MP just limp/folded.

ah misread.

12/11 people have tendency to not call behind wide. given that
12% played
11% raising

he's likely 3b/folding. bigger gap more flatting.

10-04-2013 , 10:31 AM

#16

BenaBadBeat

5 or a 9... 5 or a 9...

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fell asleep 9 times before getting to the end of this thread

10-04-2013 , 08:47 PM

#17

TonnaMunz

Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,759

Ez fold, we only have A high and he elected to push all of his remaining chip stack into the middle which in the game of Holdem often represents a strong holding

Spoiler:

10-09-2013 , 04:37 AM

#18

d_smith77

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just wait til mpethy wakes up and reads this thread you guys

10-09-2013 , 09:24 AM

#19

Mayox

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50/50

10-09-2013 , 01:00 PM

#20

gutter23

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Yep, Mpethy is going to be pissed that someone is clogging up the strategy forum with such a ridiculous hand. You have 25% equity in the worse case scenerio. It's $29 to win $80. The pot odds are 2.75:1 or 26%. Why are you wasting time with this silly, silly hand?

Last edited by gutter23; 10-09-2013 at 01:02 PM. Reason: Math is hard. I hope I got the numbers right

10-09-2013 , 03:50 PM

#21

Optimist1945

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Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 41

Gutter, perfect pot odds calculating.

We need 36,5%. 12/11 short only have here AQ, QQ+, he called for taking fish to pot.

MP2 37.91% 37.91% 0.00% AsTs
MP3 62.09% 62.09% 0.00% QQ+, AQs, AQo

=call

10-09-2013 , 03:57 PM

#22

Optimist1945

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But actually its always AA, becouse this only hand he not scared see flop. He will 3bet QQ-KK.

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