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04-13-2008 , 06:30 PM
Ok I know this is a vague question, but I'm hoping someone from the site (or a subscriber, I'm not picky) can tell me what type of content is offered at DC. I'm a micro/low LHE player. What is the ratio of limit/NL/tournament content offered on the site. How would those of you who subscribe to DC compare the content to that offered by Stox or CR? I'm thinking of subscribing to DC tonight but I'd really appreciate some feedback before I make the commitment.
04-13-2008 , 06:38 PM
I'd suggest you utilize the 7 day free trial to see if you like it or not. You can hit cancel any day before your 7 days are up, and you won't have to pay a dime. They have 5 series of LHE content, combined with solo videos totaling 74 LHE videos.

Here's some of the series descriptions.


This Series: Minbet Madness

In this 8 episode series DeathDonkey takes successful NL hold'em player FoxwoodsFiend under his wing and teaches him the fine art of betting the minimum! FoxwoodsFiend receives instruction on the finer points of 6 max limit hold'em through video reviews of his play, self analysis, and sweat sessions with DeathDonkey coaching him in real time. Take the journey with FoxwoodsFiend as he travels from the 10/20 6 max level to higher and higher stakes.



This Series: The Price is Right

"Well, I'm getting 15 to 1." danzasmack provides a comprehensive introduction to Shorthanded Limit Hold'em for those new to the game. Basics will include things like starting hands, hand reading, and developing table reads. More advanced topics include adjusting to table dynamics and preparing yourself to move up in limits.




This Series: Shouldn't Fold

Danzasmack continues DeucesCracked's smash hit The Price is Right and plays/studies 1/2 through 3/6 LHE.



This Series: Mano a Mule

DeathDonkey covers the fundamentals of HU LHE play, dealing with a variety of opponent types and unique situations. From loose passives to maniacs to tough heads up specialists, DD will make you a force to be reckoned with.




This Series: Real Life: Microlimit Grinder

What's it like to start over from scratch? Entity and DeucesCracked member PygmyHero explore that question in Real Life: Microlimit Grinder. PygmyHero has been playing the microlimits over the past several years, but has struggled to win in the post-UIGEA climate. From table and seat selection to tilt control and in-depth hand analysis, Entity and PygmyHero work on every aspect of becoming a better poker player in an effort to reshape Pygmy's game.
04-14-2008 , 10:51 AM
DC was originally a limit-holdem site from its conception. Three of our five executive producers are LHE masters, and there are tons of great vids from .5/1-3/6 on the site. We offer a 7-day trial if you would like to check them out for free!
04-14-2008 , 11:46 AM
Everything that tubasteve said is true, and we are uploaded our old videos all the time as we convert them into what we call 'The Vault'.

Sounds like Real Life: MicroLimit Grinder would be exactly what you are looking for video material.
04-14-2008 , 02:38 PM
I think that DC has better content than the other sites, and the rest of the sites are probably playing catchup. I canceled my membership at another very popular site because of their boring 30min videos where some punk kid was reading IM, and aimlessly playing hands. I love how DC has different instructional series, and how well spoken their instructors are.
04-14-2008 , 02:49 PM
Can't speak for other sites but the way the series are organized & the hand by hand analysis rather than simply watching someone play is so much better. I've seen demo vids from other sites but the DC stuff is simply great. I don't mean to sound selfish but I kind of hope (to the detriment of the instructors & business end) that they don't get too many members. For obvious reasons.
04-16-2008 , 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by HIV_HOPE
where some punk kid was reading IM, and aimlessly playing hands.
this kind of stuff blows my mind
04-16-2008 , 05:25 PM
Sound like that whiny ass kid Raptor.

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04-17-2008 , 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by tubasteve
this kind of stuff blows my mind

Steve, do you mean the poster's opinion blows your mind, or that a teacher IM'ing while making a vid blows your mind?
04-18-2008 , 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Chomp
a teacher IM'ing while making a vid blows your mind?
yep
04-18-2008 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by HIV_HOPE
boring 30min videos where some punk kid was reading IM, and aimlessly playing hands.

Oh, I wonder which site you are referring to. Pretty sad for them that thats all you need to say for people to know.
04-18-2008 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by tubasteve
yep
Ah, good.

I've noticed that you and the other DC folks are very careful to be respectful to other training sites, which is clearly both good manners and good business.

So I'll say what you guys probably can't say: it pissed off an awful, awful lot of CR members when they watched videos and knew the teachers were playing 10 tables, or were playing 2 tourneys as well as their cash teaching tables, or were tapping away on their keyboards, or were eating, or yawning or whatever. It is such an insult to people paying money for a service to be aware of that the teacher is at best 50% focused on delivering that service. And to compund that, it is even more of an insult that CR would not vet videos before putting them up to make sure these PR disasters aren't lurking.

Maybe CR have fixed this now. Dunno, I'm solely DC's bitch nowadays so don't really care.
04-18-2008 , 06:15 PM
Call me Nostradamus, but I think the other sites will soon start trying to emulate DC in coming out with a series of video's & having hand analysis rather just having someone play a game & commenting on it as they are playing. Listen to me now & believe me later. Bottom line DC has it going up & they are just getting started. Revolution baby!
04-19-2008 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by PanchoStern
Call me Nostradamus, but I think the other sites will soon start trying to emulate DC in coming out with a series of video's & having hand analysis rather just having someone play a game & commenting on it as they are playing. Listen to me now & believe me later. Bottom line DC has it going up & they are just getting started. Revolution baby!
Stoxpoker has been using an innovative approach (The Classroom, Hold'em Made Simple) for some time before the launch of "new" DC, so it isn't all that revolutionary.

I appreciate the series, but I also thought that some simple table play videos were missing in the DC library. I'm glad that they're working on balancing it.
04-19-2008 , 07:16 PM
Before signing up to DC I looked at all the sites & spoke to friends who are members of them. Sad to say Stox did not rate that good in their eyes. CR & PXF were mentioned (I'm not counting DC mentions just other sites) & even Leggo got very good reviews but for whatever reason Stox simply did not get mentioned as highly by all. Most spoke well of Stox nothing really bad to say but they simply spoke more highly of the other sites. Perhaps they were cutting edge at one time but at the present time are in a stagnating period. I don't know I didn't sign up.
Another thing I was looking for a strong SNG site & Stox has Collin on their site but even then people did not recommend them to me. They told me to look towards PXF & even SNGicons instead.
I'm NOT slamming Stox by any means. I'm just saying part of what let me to choose DC over them since you brought up that they had started the series vids.
Having said all that DC was the site that most of my friends told me was really happening & on the up & up. I tried the 7 day trial & I'm VERY happy. I DO plan on joining other sites but later & do NOT plan on quitting DC when I do. As a matter of fact most of my friends belong to 2 or even more sites. I can't honestly think of 1 that only belongs to 1 site. One belonged to 4 & told me he considers them all worth their $$.
Just my worthless opinion here so no need for anyone to get all riled up. I think the other sites are good I just chose to start my serious online education with DC. In the future if I improve I even plan on signing up for coaching. Meanwhile back to the grind.

Last edited by PanchoStern; 04-19-2008 at 07:17 PM. Reason: spelling
04-20-2008 , 03:46 AM
Interesting. I don't have any friends who play poker seriously so I can't ask them, but from reading the forums I often got the impression that many people think like your friends (i. e. not too highly of stoxpoker).

I have 6-month memberships at DC and stoxpoker at the moment, and I find it hard to decide which site I like better. I have so little time to watch videos though that I will probably quit one in the end. But, well, I'll probably end up staying a member of both...
04-20-2008 , 10:18 AM
I guess everyone just has different tastes. I'm trying to save up to join other sites but have a similar problem as you in that I have only been able to see roughly about a video a day. I do plan on joining other sites though but do not plan on dropping DC at all. I'm extremely happy I made the choice to join DC first & that's because supposedly it wasn't "catering" to my needs which were SNG vids. My friends kept telling me to look for a site with good cash games vids as SNG vids really weren't that important. Basically saying to learn a solid game then I can adapt to the SNG's. I'm glad I did. I'm even going to go back & start playing cash games once again after watching a few of the DC vids. Still going to keep playing SNG's though. By the way eventually I do plan on joining Stox but right now it's down on my list after a few other sites.
04-20-2008 , 07:52 PM
i've been a part of DC since the beginning and had joined 3-bet.net just before it became DC.

i joined jay and company because i knew they were great poker players and i could tell that they were an awesome management team as well. the latter has proven to be true and i've been extremely happy to be a part of the team here. they run a great operation and the quality and variety of videos is outstanding.
04-20-2008 , 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Chomp
Ah, good.

I've noticed that you and the other DC folks are very careful to be respectful to other training sites, which is clearly both good manners and good business.

So I'll say what you guys probably can't say: it pissed off an awful, awful lot of CR members when they watched videos and knew the teachers were playing 10 tables, or were playing 2 tourneys as well as their cash teaching tables, or were tapping away on their keyboards, or were eating, or yawning or whatever. It is such an insult to people paying money for a service to be aware of that the teacher is at best 50% focused on delivering that service. And to compund that, it is even more of an insult that CR would not vet videos before putting them up to make sure these PR disasters aren't lurking.

Maybe CR have fixed this now. Dunno, I'm solely DC's bitch nowadays so don't really care.
Just as an FYI, the last time a CR video went up where someone was chatting with friends or playing multiple other tables was about 16 months ago. This was long before any of the other training sites mentioned (except PXF, i think) existed, and things were a lot different back then. I agree, it's unacceptable, and that's why it doesn't happen anymore.

tc
04-20-2008 , 09:01 PM
IMO DC is worth it just because of the entertainment krantz provides.
04-20-2008 , 09:02 PM
Taylor, I didn't realise that, so I apologise for implying it was more recent or that it was on-going.

But it does show how sensitive some customers can be - one little thing like this can stick in your mind for months and magnify into something bigger than it actually was, which might have been the case with me.
04-20-2008 , 10:01 PM
I think was is even more revealing is that before anyone even mentioned CR it was understood what site was the one being talked about.
04-20-2008 , 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by PanchoStern
I think was is even more revealing is that before anyone even mentioned CR it was understood what site was the one being talked about.
Can you elaborate on this please?
04-20-2008 , 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Chomp
Taylor, I didn't realise that, so I apologise for implying it was more recent or that it was on-going.

But it does show how sensitive some customers can be - one little thing like this can stick in your mind for months and magnify into something bigger than it actually was, which might have been the case with me.
yea no problem at all, i understand how important quality control issues are and that's why we've (i think) corrected all of them. Haven't had any complaints in quite some time.
04-20-2008 , 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Taylor Caby
Just as an FYI, the last time a CR video went up where someone was chatting with friends or playing multiple other tables was about 16 months ago. This was long before any of the other training sites mentioned (except PXF, i think) existed, and things were a lot different back then. I agree, it's unacceptable, and that's why it doesn't happen anymore.

tc
For the record, the first iteration of DC was formed in Dec '06.

      
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