So basically StoxPoker for low/mid stakes and Card Runners for high stakes then? Not sure I can see the logic in this - why would anyone subscribe to both sites at the same time? Also, that surely means that current low/mid stakes players at CR will be better off at Stox and vice versa, which means they need to cancel their current memberships and open new ones.

Sorry, I might be missing something here but I can't see the benefits to the existing members of either site.

I still see this: Monthly Subscription($99.95 first month, then $24.95)

We have a new landing page we hope to launch in a couple days that will reflect the correct pricing structure. The exact structure that is correct is outlined in our press releases but definitely includes no sign-up fee.

LOL - Bryce, I believe you truly do have a talent for teaching!

See how whenever BRYCE explains something, it all seems SO simple and logical...at least for a little while!!

The pricing of each entity is more what reflects the limit, but stox will still have all the high limit content/coaches it has had in the past and CR will continue to produce the same amount of lower limit stuff as it has as well. You can take your pick.

nope, no current CR instructors/videos will be moved to ONLY stoxpoker. Stoxpoker is getting 10 CR vids that have already been released at CR and will be available at stox and vice versa, but otherwise nothing is getting replaced to the other site.

The cheapest way for a person who is not currently subscribed to either site Would be to buy 12 months at CR (336) and add 12 months at stox (150) for a total cost of $486.

Surely if your dropping the $99 sign up fee then the cheapest way is...

Sign up for one month of stox $25, sign up for 12 months of CR @ 22X12 = 264
let the stox membership stop and sign up again for $150.

$150
$264
£25

=$439

its a right mess, I know that much! Sooner or later someone is going to release all the details in black and white explaining exactly what the $'s are and how to get them. Until that time its pretty much guesswork on the part of the customers.

Hang on, this just is not fair at ALL!!!

CR members,
can upgrade their account to another 12 months at CR for $200
can join stox for 12 months for $150
total for an existing CR member going dual = $350 for the next 12 months.

Stox memebers,
can upgrade their account to another 12 months at stox for $240
can join cardrunners for 12 months for $264
total for an existing stox member going dual = $504 for the next 12 months.

WTF!!! same company, same package but two vastly different rates to the customers.

Told ya, right mess it is.
it actually makes more sense to dump stox and join CR and then rejoin stox. Thats just mad crazy.

I like all the new coaches and **** that stox has added, but i must say im disappointed w/ their decision... not that I can do anything about it. I dont understand why they would go and change everything on us like this; stox is like home to me, and now everything is all ****ed up

Everything you have and expect is still there - there will just be more of it. What are your concerns? Can you elaborate?

Ok good to hear, thanks. Your press release is a bit confusing though.

Just to correct myself (read the updated price in the sticky...)

CR members,
can upgrade their account to another 12 months at CR for $200
can join stox for 12 months for $150
total for an existing CR member going dual = $350 for the next 12 months.

Stox memebers,
can upgrade their account to another 12 months at stox for $200
can join cardrunners for 12 months for $264
total for an existing stox member going dual = $464 for the next 12 months.

But the point still stands, why is the exact same merged company charging two lots of people vastly different prices for exactly the same product??????

I was wondering this too...I am considering joining CR now with this merger but Stox only members still have to pay 2 sign up fees total whereas CR members only have to pay 1. Plus CR members get a bonus both ways...the renewal and their new membership are cheaper.

I like this idea and certainly everyone is getting more value but shouldn't everyone get the same content for the same price

There are a number of reasons for the way we have structured the pricing and one thing we are certain is that there is no way to make it exactly equal across the board.

There are definitely ways to join CR without the sign-up fee though if you are willing to purchase 12 months in advance.

You are quoting the pricing out of context. Once you consider the price of BEING a stox or CR sub, the pricing gets much closer.

how exactly?

positive changes for existing stox subs:

1. you can purchase CR membership if they choose at a significant discount
2. you can view some older CR content at stox if they choose
3. you now have a set release schedule you can see here: Stoxpoker September Release Schedule
4. you now have 11 new coaches producing more content and more structured content. you can read about them here
5. More experienced company management

6. Other differences that you may not like should you choose to ignore/not take advantage of the above: NONE. ZERO. The forums stay the same, the coaches stay the same, everything that you liked about the old stoxpoker is still intact.

Why? Everyone likes money of course, but now there's going to be so much more content on stox (including content like ssNL and Stud that many players were asking for) that you're going to need the extra time to absord it all. Say you're a 4-max SNG enthusiast, I don't know, but even when you run out of videos to watch in your chosen specialty there will be so many others that will benefit you. Come watch some of the Poker U videos, or expand your mind (and bankroll) with razz, HORSE, or TD. And next month, guess what -- more new videos!

I'm quite sure any decent poker player can make more than $100 extra in three months with the training they receive on this site. In fact, I guarantee you even those players I chat with on the forums who play no higher than 1/2 razz have recouped that much and more.

I am sorry, I must be stupid or something.

Please explain why we are being charged $464 for the same deal that a CR member gets for $350?

ie 12 months CR+Stox.

I am trying my hardest to figure it out, but I can not. To me it is exactly the same deal only with a vastly different price. Note there is no sign up fee involved in either of these sums, this is just what you will be charged for 12 months stox + CR.

It is noticeable that on the cardrunners forum they are actively promoting the fact it is 12months stox + CR for $350 to existing members.

Since it's a sticky it obviously doesn't need a bump, but I wouldn't mind hearing the answer to this as well.

I'm not a member of either service, and this is confusing to me so I'll just ask a dumb question.

How much will it cost if I just want to join Stox and not CR? I don't see the point in paying for 2 sites anymore than I would consider myself at the level to hire 2 coaches.

I have given up waiting for an answer. I am going to guess that the real reason is the merger was not that deeply thought out and they maybe thought no one would bother to check the figures, after all, we are getting more than before. So lets try another question and maybe it will get a response...

Now that Lee Jones has confirmed in a mini FAQ on the CR forum here, that stox and CR are legally the same company...

Can we not at least have the same $350 for 12 months of Stox and CR?

(maybe someone can post this question in the cr forum for Lee to read, I do not really want to cross post while I am waiting for an answer)

There are a number of different scenarios. Are your questions for you specifically or in general? The pricing structure is in the FAQ, if you are asking us to change it, the answer right now is probably not.

I was referring to the prices of a dual membership of Stox and CR, and that price in comparison with what CR members are being requested to pay.

This information does not appear to be in the FAQ. It just mentions stox membership prices.

I am glad the website has finally been updated. Of course, I am not so happy that the cost of renewal has gone up from $189 to $200 but hey ho. More important things to worry about right now. Including trying to convince someone at your end to offer us the same $350 for 12 months stox and cr as what the cr folks are beng offered

I think, as a way to let off some of the pressure on you, the $150 for 6 months CR is a pretty good deal though, especially when we compare that it cost almost that much to join for 1 month last week. So i may take up that offer.

But the $350 bundle would be so much sweeter.

I don't have as big of an issue getting the same $350 for the 12 months of both.

My issue is that they way it's structured it feels like loyal Stox subs are being treated as less valuable than CR members.

As a Stox sub if we wanted to join CR we're getting a good deal to take the plunge. $264 for a year is a good deal vs not being a Stox sub. They've also decided to reward the subs they already have with an additional $64 discount. No problem. I get that. Seems fair. Reward those that have already taken the plunge.

Then look at it from a CR sub's point of view that is looking at joining Stox. They get an offer of 12 months for $150. That's a pretty sweet deal. As a reward for being a Stox sub we now can pay more than the potential new customers. That's what seems bass ackwards to me.

It's not at all unusual for a business to offer a low introductory rate to attract new customers. I mean how much junk mail do you get every month from phone/cable/internet/cellphone companies making just such offers?