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Old 04-02-2017, 11:44 AM   #8451
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Re: Tiger Woods Thread (aka Golf Forum Hamsterdam)

If Tiger knew a good back doctor we would be playing this week.
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Old 04-02-2017, 06:29 PM   #8452
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Old 04-15-2017, 11:56 PM   #8453
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Re: Tiger Woods Thread (aka Golf Forum Hamsterdam)

Here we go again.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-much-in-play/
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Old 04-16-2017, 12:13 AM   #8454
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All it took to fix Tiger's back was his watching Sergio win a major.
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Old 04-16-2017, 12:48 AM   #8455
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At this point Tiger is like Charlie Brown trying to kick a football.
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Old 04-17-2017, 04:12 PM   #8456
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I remember hearing the in 90's that Tiger's swing and power exertion wouldn't last long-term.

I bet most would take the trade-off of being a dominating golfer for 15 years and then not being able to play again vs. being a competitive golfer for a lifetime.

Maybe.

There are so many golfers competitive in their 40s and it still is strange to see that Tiger isn't even playing.

I think he is definitely hurt and in physical pain. I would probably take the under of every winning a PGA event again. Which is amazing for a golfer who would win events in historic streaks.
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Old 04-20-2017, 03:39 PM   #8457
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http://golfweek.com/2017/04http://go...-back-surgery/

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Tiger Woods announced Thursday that he has undergone successful back surgery to alleviate ongoing pain in his back and leg.
Spoiler if you want to guess if this is new news or just a copy and paste of an article written at numerous points over the past 5 years:

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Old 04-20-2017, 03:43 PM   #8458
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Old 04-20-2017, 05:55 PM   #8459
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A lumbar fusion? That doesn't sound good for his game even if it makes his pain go away.
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Old 04-20-2017, 08:17 PM   #8460
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Re: Tiger Woods Thread (aka Golf Forum Hamsterdam)

He honestly needs to give up the game now just to maintain a healthy life, if that's even possible at this point.
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Old 04-20-2017, 09:01 PM   #8461
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He honestly needs to give up the game now just to maintain a healthy life, if that's even possible at this point.
He sure is having a lot of surgeries apparently just to get back to playing competitive golf vs. adjusting to just healing.

His swing will have to change to avoid putting pressure on his back and making things worse. There is non-zero chance that he might have some type of permanent issue.

I think most doctors would advise a patient to heal and not go back to playing a game that put you in the surgeon's office in the first place.

I just don't see him coming back to just make cuts. He is far too competitive to play ceremonial golf at venues he dominated.

Tough decision for him to make as well as his doctor(s). Who knows what he is disclosing. He is under no obligation to inform anyone.
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Old 04-20-2017, 09:30 PM   #8462
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The surgery may make his leg pain go away. Even if it does, there well could be residual peripheral neuropathy--altered feelings (including numbness) in his legs. That can not be good for a top pro golfer.

Just wildly speculating here--not a doctor, but I did have back/leg pain in a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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Old 04-20-2017, 10:36 PM   #8463
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Re: Tiger Woods Thread (aka Golf Forum Hamsterdam)

what odds would be fair that tiger never finishes another pga tournament? never finishes another major?

all these crazy bets have become more and more likely over the last 5 years. maybe we are getting to the very END and sooner not later.

or maybe we aren't...................

this is crazy........ but when i watch TW and michelle wie i see players that had simply amazing swings as teenagers who look horrible - and similar - now.... they both seem to really constantly on moderate to large fade even when the hole doesn't set up for it........... at least TW did before he took his hiatus. but he got away from foley who i think caused it. could be wrong about foley.
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Old 04-20-2017, 10:39 PM   #8464
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i can't believe his injuries don't seem to be healing properly or fast enough.

i maybe forgetting some obvious names. but have any other prominent - perpetually top 50 types - retired due to recurring injuries.

i still think TW should never have got into weightlifting so much......

this is way off-base but we had an amazing canadian tailback - white BTW - who constantly was getting injured and i think it turns out he was too strong for his tendons/ligaments. maybe too much weightlifting....... doubt this is TW but definitely weightlifting would have changed his body structure and muscle memory which is so key in golf. not so much in many other athletic activities.
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Old 04-20-2017, 11:08 PM   #8465
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I'm optimistic this surgery might help him lead a relatively pain-free life where he can play with his kids. He probably needs to give up the idea of competitive golf though. It's a shame because I wanted him to have one more comeback in him.
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Old 04-20-2017, 11:12 PM   #8466
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I was watching some random TV poker a couple of days ago and I think they were interviewing Alex Torelli and he was talking about elite competitors or something and he stated that Tiger was first golfer to bench 350lbs and that he had set a new standard. (for what, I have no idea)
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Old 04-21-2017, 02:27 PM   #8467
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i can't believe his injuries don't seem to be healing properly or fast enough.

i maybe forgetting some obvious names. but have any other prominent - perpetually top 50 types - retired due to recurring injuries.

i still think TW should never have got into weightlifting so much......

this is way off-base but we had an amazing canadian tailback - white BTW - who constantly was getting injured and i think it turns out he was too strong for his tendons/ligaments. maybe too much weightlifting....... doubt this is TW but definitely weightlifting would have changed his body structure and muscle memory which is so key in golf. not so much in many other athletic activities.
It would seem our bodies are designed to not put so much pressure on with massive weights. Tiger Woods was doing SEAL training but he isn't invading Afghanistan. He is hitting a ball into a little hole in Florida.

Perhaps the same thing happened with David Duval. I don't think anybody knows the real answer and it is individual and mental too. Complex.
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Old 04-21-2017, 03:39 PM   #8468
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Re: Tiger Woods Thread (aka Golf Forum Hamsterdam)

I actually feel bad for him.
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Old 04-21-2017, 06:52 PM   #8469
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I actually feel bad for him.
Well, this seemed poised to be his year back with all the tournaments scheduled and then it appears there is even more uncertainty and yet another back surgery.

Back surgeries can take years to heal. I don't know a doctor that would advise a patient to violently swing a club to hit a ball where you pound the ground. A plugged lie in a sand-trap requires huge force.
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Old 04-22-2017, 08:09 AM   #8470
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Re: Tiger Woods Thread (aka Golf Forum Hamsterdam)

So four back surgeries in three years...Sort of means he has had three failed back surgeries in a short-time frame.

I would be surprised if he plays next year. Maybe he will take off for a few years and try one historic comeback.


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Old 04-24-2017, 02:07 PM   #8471
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Steve Kerr (coach of GS Warriors) is out again because of lingering complications from back surgery 2 years ago. He puts on a brave face but it honestly sounds like agony. He had this advice in a news conference:

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Last season, serious back problems sidelined Kerr for 43 games. Details of the issues he dealt with then were harrowing, involving leaking spinal fluid and debilitating headaches. Kerr had undergone offseason surgery to repair a ruptured disk, but complications forced him to have another procedure and take a leave of absence at the beginning of the season.

“I can tell you if you’re listening out there, stay away from back surgery,” Kerr said. “I can say that from the bottom of my heart. Rehab, rehab, rehab. Don’t let anyone get in there.”
I hope, if this latest surgery allows Tiger to live (relatively) pain-free, that he take Kerr's advice and hangs up the clubs altogether. He is playing with fire - in fact for all we know, his current back pain is caused more by all the surgeries, than by any original injury.
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Old 04-26-2017, 08:54 PM   #8472
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Tiger should have consulted Esther Gokhale. She's a Stanford doctor who's studied back problems most of here life primarily by looking at indigenous cultures and figuring out why back problems are almost nonexistent there compared to the developed world. It mostly comes down to horrible habits we've developed for sitting, laying down, bending over, walking, etc. She also says that surgery is a terrible idea and advocates developing better habits.
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Old 04-26-2017, 11:13 PM   #8473
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Tiger should have consulted Esther Gokhale. She's a Stanford doctor who's studied back problems most of here life primarily by looking at indigenous cultures and figuring out why back problems are almost nonexistent there compared to the developed world. It mostly comes down to horrible habits we've developed for sitting, laying down, bending over, walking, etc. She also says that surgery is a terrible idea and advocates developing better habits.
Yeah, if only tiger never developed that terrible habit of hitting golf balls these back issues never would have happened.
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Old 04-27-2017, 10:43 AM   #8474
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Steve Kerr (coach of GS Warriors) is out again because of lingering complications from back surgery 2 years ago. He puts on a brave face but it honestly sounds like agony. He had this advice in a news conference:



I hope, if this latest surgery allows Tiger to live (relatively) pain-free, that he take Kerr's advice and hangs up the clubs altogether. He is playing with fire - in fact for all we know, his current back pain is caused more by all the surgeries, than by any original injury.

Ouch. I don't know if Kerr should say all should avoid back surgery vs. he should have avoided it.
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Old 05-24-2017, 11:31 PM   #8475
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Tiger's back is fused and he says he will be back in a few months.
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