Thoughts: I agree.

I don't see why it is difficult for these to both be true. I personally loved his swing with Butch and just because with more information I can more easily see what the problems with it were doesn't mean he should have left Butch. I am on record many times around here stating that Hank Haney is a total ****ing joke. He has no clue how the golf swing works and is quite possibly in my opinion the absolute worst big name teacher in the history of golf.

In all honesty I have never really studied his swing from back with Butch in depth. I simply loved the look of it and it seemed on complete rails to me and flawless to the naked eye. If people say he dumped it under and saved it so be it and they could for all I know be completely correct. THere will always be flaws in the golf swing, I just know that his stats from back there were pretty amazing with regards to distance and accuracy off the tee. He has always been a great iron player as it is a less violent move from the top. But when you see the distance stats he threw up with old technology and incredible accuracy it was pretty awesome.

WOOT WOOT! That is small sample size obviously, and having a few really solid weeks off the tee will help skew that, but he has looked to be in much more control to me over the last two weeks. He has lost a ton of the lunge and dip. I would actually love to see clubhead speed numbers to see if what I said earlier could be accurate...that he is doing a better job offsetting the head dip towards the ball with more upward motion from the lower body. I would venture a guess that if his clubhead speed hasn't fallen off that what I said is happening.

Of course I am NOT a teacher, nor have I really studied the swing as in depth as many others have. I do have a GREAT instructor here in Dallas that has taught me a ton and I hope I am not butchering his research.

I had to get rid of the 650 in December to get a sedan so I could do my part taking the kiddo to school...I almost bought the exact same car and settled on a LS460 instead, you know, cuz I am a grown up. I felt sick to my stomach looking at his car and wondering how I went a different direction. FML.

This.

http://www.pgatour.com/r/stats/info/?02401


Tiger is around 120mph with a driver. I'm impressed with McIlroy, who looks to have picked up 5mph over the last year.

Tiger Woods ‏ @TigerWoods

Got good news from doc tonight. Only mild strain of left Achilles. Can resume hitting balls late in week and hopeful for next week.

I see what you are saying now with how can both be true...missed it the first time. I certainly don't understand Tiger's complete swing from 2001 better than him. I am referring only to the idea that he snaps his left leg vs. is jumping for ground force.

As just stated above I have never really looked technically at his prior swing, I am just saying he doesn't snap his leg back. I am very familiar with what he was working on with Haney as I dedicated 5 years of my life to the exact same plan. In hindsight I now see the flaws in the swing theory and at the time I worked on Haney stuff I was simply broke and looking for the best free instruction I could find. I now know that no instruction would have been 100000000% better than what I wasted my time doing with Haney.

And sorry for poor multi quoting...the only thing harder to do than swing Haney style is multi quote on iPad.

Personality clash aside, isn't the most common story that Butch wanted him to essentially just maintain, while TW wanted to overhaul again to keep getting better?

Agreed. For someone with TW's faults, Haney seems to have been the worst choice. This is all in hindsight obviously, but for someone who struggles with getting the club underneath them and has to save a lot of shots, a teacher who wants the club to move like Haney wants (lots of face rotation) seems bad. I mean, imo it's bad for almost everyone, but especially for TW.

Butch did a lot to hide this. They didn't fix the underlying issues that caused the underneath and save, they just put bandaids on it. Namely the short swing and huge rotation. Short swing keeps the club in front of you, and the rotation keeps the path from getting too far out.

But it did look great. He just took it back about 3/4's and then ripped it. Just one dimensional and couldn't play nearly the number of shots he can now (or even with Haney).

He is so so so incredibly talented, he just got away with a lot of things that weren't technically sound. I think his swing today is the most technically correct it has ever been. Really hoping this latest deal isn't a big setback, as I think he is close to really playing super well.

This

I walked along side during the Canadian Open @ G.Abbey and watched him the whole way...with out a doubt the best ball striker I have ever seen. If he can come with in 80% of that years talent he will be better then most...and I think he can and will.

he should take 6nths off just to be safe.

congrats on the baby nxt!

Spenda. Don't worry guys, i just wanted to say his name so when he searches tonight he will have to come in the thread again.

thanks leo

thanks Schu too, didn't get a chance to reply in the other thread. Been busy

I would have laid odds the kid's name would be Eldrick...

loooooooool


i just heard an interesting thought by butch. im sure you guys may have heard it already.

he said we as coaches have gotten too soft on our young students for a while. you would see these kids come in in a denali with scotty cameron putters.
they were spoild got used to practicing in perfect conditions and were never made to go out and play in the rain and in the cold.

he also said we as instructors got too caught up in teaching a golf swing and stopped teaching "how to play golf"

looks like a little independent verification on soft pussy modern players.

you say this as if you know it is not?

Skip Bayless ‏ @RealSkipBayless

Tiger says Achilles OK. Good news but not a good sign: Pretty much cinches he just got frustrated, bagged it after 11 holes. Yep, quit.

trollin like usual

Nice of Skip Bayless to ascertain the extent of a man's injury from thousands of miles away. Greatest player of his generation, why not openly accuse him of quitting and lying to everyone?

Simpson's caddy, who I would imagine knows a tad more about golf than Skip Bayless, and was just a bit closer, stated that the limp/pain was noticeable

They had a ground level camera behind a McIlroy drive yesterday where you could clearly see this effect with the legs. You know how I knew? Because the knee drive looked exactly the same as when Tiger used to do it.

I think Rory has best lower body move in golf right now. You know, the one that creates the most power WITHOUT the loss in control other than the deviation created by extra distance.

I also agree that the Harmon swing would have "naturally" evolved but even then Tiger would have to accept something less than superhuman and that just not in his nature. I tend to think we end up hereabouts no matter what.

I had Achilles tendinitis a few years ago from playing tennis so you won't hear me ragging on Eldrick for this. I couldn't roll weight onto the front of the foot when I woke in the morning until I had stretched out. The person who said shoes wouldn't make difference to an Achilles injury has never had an Achilles injury. Very painful and difficult rehab btw.

From ESPN:

I seriously doubt he'll play Bay Hill.

I love the experts and analysts who are calling Tiger a quitter.

I've never met a true competitive person in my life (whether it be in tennis, golf, poker, or just school) who really quits. There are some people who pretend to be competitive and then fold or shy away from the slightest bit of adversity, and there are others who will go to all means and lengths to beat you -- whether it be by out-working you or out-thinking you.

Tiger falls in the latter category.

People labeling Tiger as a quitter seem to have just written off the last 15 years of his career where he grinded over pretty much every shot he's ever hit. If you want to see quitters, look at John Daly and Rory Sabattini.

agreed, ucb

the problem is that hack-media-tards have to be inflammatory to get attention to keep their job. See: Feinstein, John. His books are great, but on TGC all he does is take a firm opinion and run with it. He did it with Bunkergate at the PGA and just did it with Tiger not putting out on 18 at Pebble to leave the stage for Phil. Skip, Rome, JF, all pathetic sideline losers who probably were the kids who took their ball and went home when they lost as kids. They can spot a quitter since they probably were and can't even begin to fathom what is going on in a guy like Tiger's head.

I know everybody says they are competitive since it would be weak to say you aren't. I am very competitive when I am in the hunt but know I could be better when I am middle to back of the pack. My point is that I can't even begin to imagine how anyone could ever insinuate that Tiger mailed it in. That is quite possibly the most absurd thing I have ever heard, especially since he has been playing so well the last few weeks. The notion that he could be struggling for a few holes and thus take his ball and go home is so ridiculous that...well, I don't know, but it is ridiculous.

Call that man a cheapskate, a bad husband, a bad person, whatever, but I can assure you he is not a quitter.

[QUOTE=ship---this;32021218]Thoughts: I agree.

I am on record many times around here stating that Hank Haney is a total ****ing joke. He has no clue how the golf swing works and is quite possibly in my opinion the absolute worst big name teacher in the history of golf.


Ship---This

Can you exand on this a bit?

what do you think of M Breed / Golf Fix ?

others you recommend - some you recommend not to listen too

thanks,

Breed is a joke too.

You can basically dismiss every single thing you hear on tv or read in golf magazines because it's bad for you, it's based on faulty premises, and it is a major reason that golfers don't ever ever ever get better.