yep.. moving on

lol leo... why are U responding?

4i proximity is way over 20 feet....lol LEO come on guy. Almost everything you say is fiction.

First: It [the 64] ain't going away. Does it need to replace your 5wood? That's your choice my friend. Please allow me the freedom to speak about mine. It did replace my 4i.

Second: Scrambling is irrelevant. The decision to put it in your bag is the issue. Was Mickelson a great scrambler prior to putting the 64 in? Uh huh. Surely he could do the same thing by opening up a 58 or a 60 right? Not! Was Bubba hitting huge drives before he got a 64 Tour-S? Uh huh. Was JB Holmes the longest hitter on the tour before his brain surgery, and was he that way before his coach begged him to get a 64 in his bag? yup... Why did [they] put it in? Why did Bubba put it in last year for the Zurich? Well, for starters the ball is flying far - a long way. Bubba avg'd 331yds off the tee at the Zurich in '11. Guys are very strong and hitting it so far. When you find yourself in trouble (25yards short of and 5' below a domed green) the 64 is a weapon. The 64 is a trend. Just because you say it doesn't have a place in someone's bag doesn't mean it will be that way.

There are lots more that this list, but the players that come to mind are:

• Phil Mickelson
• Bubba Watson
• JB Holmes
• D.J. Trahan
• Peter Lonard
• Tom Pernice
• etal.

@hunter, what are you talking about i said without looking id guess.

it does not change the fact that you are not more likely to get up and down with a 4i vs a 3 or 5.

whats fiction about that?

TOm, it does make sense on tour... for reasons that aren't altogether clear to intermediate level golfers. Help them understand the reasons you see them on tour, but shouldn't put them into play at a muni course.

If you rewind this thread a lil bit you'll see where this 64* wedge discussion started.. w/ a 2hcp'er. His justification was not very good for recommending a 64* to other golfers.

Bolded is the best and only worthwhile thing you said in that post. And what happens to trends my friends?!?! They disappear because its just a trend! 64s may be around now but long run they will continue to be a very minute minority

BYN if you'd just get to the point, state facts, and make solid arguments... then I'd stop calling you a passive-aggressive schmuck.

why do you "have to believe" anything about me. furyk, for example, doesn't carry a 4i. do you "have to believe" something about him regarding extra loft? what about kuchar? he carries a 62 and doesn't carry a 3w. do you "have to believe" somethign about him missing that extra loft on long par5s?

all i did was show up, offer a little reason why a 64 exists, post a little somethign about my golfing acumen and now my inbox is filling up with side rants... geeze...

welcome to the forum tom8 lawl

byn im not trying to give you a hard time. i know you are a good player.

the 60 came about i believe in '79. tom kite was made fun of using it thru the 80's slowly it got into more bags.

the same man who invented the 60 invented the 64. so there is a chance it sticks around.

it is completely player specific. just as any set make up.

I came here by stumbling onto a post on this forum called "Advanced Course Management" or something like that. There were several very worthwhile posts by a fellow named ship it and another gentleman named stackler.

but, clearly Break Ya Neck is a complete chopper/hacker suffering from "my penis is bigger than yours" syndrome. "If it ain't in my bag, it's not any good." Worthless dribble, waste of my time. I'll be leaving now... short stay... good luck to all of you.

omg leo not saying stupid bull****... nice job keep it up

i think he is a plus 2? im not sure. i also guess he is an ncaa golfer.

if i underrated you byn these are just guesses.

LOL I already stated some of the good posters and Stadler is another good one because he is a young good player.

Has nothing to do with anything you said. I knew you wouldnt be sticking around anyways cuz they never do. My argument stays and that there are more valuable clubs than a 64. Does Mickelson even carry it week in and week out or just specific tourneys?!

No problem leo. Your guesses were close lets just say that

passive aggressive schmuck ran a good player out of the forum... SFTU BYN

Wow you guys are the nut low

Lol plenty of better players here that give better advice. Besides you wont be here next month anyways! You have no need to worry!

So for the average player a 60 is ok but a 64 isn't? Where do you draw the line? 61? 63? 62.4?

There is no line. Everyones game is different, not everyone hits it like a tour pro, some people de-loft every club in their bag, so making blanket statements is just stupid.

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You say you hit 3/4 and 1/2 shots all the time with your wedges, but you also say you practice. What if you have a job and don't have time to practice? Not everyone plays golf for a living. For them taking a full swing eliminates some of the doubt about how far its going to go.

Personally I can't remember the last time I chunked a 90 yard shot, but I can remember chunking a few 50-60 yard shots recently, because I was taking half a swing.....and I do practice.

To be clear, I'm not saying everyone should have a 64. I'm saying if it works for your game, you shouldn't have to listen to someone who has no idea what you game is, say you shouldn't have one.

I hope you stick around. There are some good players here and it's usually pretty chill.

Alright, so Mickelson is your only "go to" player that you'll refer to and you're the authority on when he carries the club? Ok, moving on... Since you continue to attack me... the reason Stadler is a good poster is because he is A) young B) good and C) a player? By your definition then that means everyone who is not young or a good player (defined by being a +6???) is not a good poster. My guess is you are obstinate in more areas that just golf and have very few people who are interested in being around you and your opinions, and as such you lurk around a golf forum and pounce on people who are "good players." My guess is that you are a not a young good player.

I would further posit the reason people "don't stick around" is people like you are abrasive toward people like me. Further exacerbates the abrasiveness when you don't make an attempt to come across as intelligent (notice you don't spell correctly [cuz is actually because] and don't punctuate [wouldnt is wouldn't]) and that is an insult. In the same sentence, how can you talk to me ("I knew you wouldn't be sticking around because...") and for all others ("...they never do")? If you're going to try and tell me "how it is", please do it with skill and perhaps an attempt to display a mastery or at least knowledge of the English language. Thanks?

Last thing on this, the reason why people like me (low round this season is 64, and my scoring average this season is 70.08) beat the pants off of the average scratch golfer is:
a) people like me practice the short game by hitting minimum of 500 green side short game shots per day (chips, pitches)
b) are open to new ways to get it close when par or better is absolutely necessary

Don't believe me? Stats don't lie. Look at the following and especially at around the 3:00 mark where the author discusses the difference between a person who chips to 3' vs a guy who chips to 6'. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z9uBlVEb7E.

If BreakYaNeck rides me once more, I'm done with this forum and will not return.

Stick around tom, BYN and leo are terrible - just ignore them

What do u mean by this? Ball position? If so just inside left foot.

pardon me schu. could you please point out for me where i have personally attacked a member of this forum? I would like to apologize to them.

just because you dont like my opinion in opinion based threads does not mean i have 0 info in fact based threads.

I have no clue how tour pro's do it and to me just shooting under 80 seems unfathomably difficult and I dont know how anyone does it. For reference I shot 105 yesterday.