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07-22-2011 , 01:34 PM
So how much would you buy a Rachel Uchitel tell-all book?
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07-22-2011 , 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by pinhigh47
You've got it all wrong my friend. The reason they are paid a lower wage is because valet is one of the jobs our society regularly tips for service. If an employer decided to pay a "regular" wage then valets would be making more money than they probably should.

It's not like one day a bunch of hotel owners or whatever got together and were like "We need a way to cut costs....let's start paying valets below minimum wage and therefore customers will be forced to tip to cover their wages that we take away!!". No. Our society just has some jobs that we naturally have decided to tip and a lot we have not. The ones we do, employers naturally pay a less wage.

So if you are looking for someone to blame for this "problem", blame all of society I guess. But realize that you are in the large minority for not tipping valet (and others that should be tipped too?).
Wow, you are very naive, my friend.

lol it just "naturally" happened. Ha! That's a good one
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07-22-2011 , 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by bonito
You do realize that if you were to let the employer pay them a higher salary, the burden of that would still be on you (or the end user) right?
Riiiight, because the reason restaurants and the like have tipping in place is because it makes it just that much better of a deal for the consumer. How nice of them to keep the price of my dinner down by implementing the tipping system!

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You do realize how compensation based on tips actually improves the qaulity of service you as a customer will get when dealing with the service industry, right?
All I need is for you to scurry on back and carry that tray of food out to me. I don't need to hear your bull**** laugh at my not so funny comment to enjoy my dining experience. If I had it my way, every restaurant would have a number you call from your table to place your order, and when its ready a text is sent to you and you go pick it up.
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07-23-2011 , 12:34 AM
I don't know. It sounds like Tiger was really generous with his waitresses.
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07-23-2011 , 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by loK2thabrain
Riiiight, because the reason restaurants and the like have tipping in place is because it makes it just that much better of a deal for the consumer. How nice of them to keep the price of my dinner down by implementing the tipping system!



All I need is for you to scurry on back and carry that tray of food out to me. I don't need to hear your bull**** laugh at my not so funny comment to enjoy my dining experience. If I had it my way, every restaurant would have a number you call from your table to place your order, and when its ready a text is sent to you and you go pick it up.
It's pretty ******ed to abuse someone who brings you food and/or drink if you ever intend to possibly return to that place. I don't agree with the sentiment but failure to tip when it is customary to do so is treated by many employees as abuse.

Maybe Fluff got annoyed with how Tiger treated him and gave him that bad number deliberately. Maybe he gave him a few slightly bad numbers before Tiger figured things out.
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07-23-2011 , 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by tzwien
I don't know. It sounds like Tiger was really generous with his waitresses.
yea he always gave them the tip....

Spoiler:
...then he gave them the whole thing

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07-23-2011 , 05:35 AM
just when i thought it wasnt possible for the golf board to have a tipping thread...
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07-23-2011 , 02:57 PM
tipping threads need to be contained to B&M
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07-23-2011 , 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by BigSoonerFan


I don't think Stevie's or Elin's tell-all would be as much as most people think. Sure, Stevie saw Tiger with some girls I suspect, but I would suspect he knows less than 10% of Tiger's affairs. Elin obviously knew even less. All she could tell us is how much Tiger cried when she cracked his skull, which wouldn't fill a book.
Yep...his wife is supposedly close with Elin and he has said publicly that he didnt know of any side chicks. I think he will come out with some very vague suspicions he might have had, but nothing too crazy.

Im more interested in the drug use...Not sure if I believe he was drug-free during the US Open run at TP. I am huge fan of his, and will continue to be, but the suspicion alone is enough to open your mind up to the fact that maybe he wasnt superman playing on a broken leg. I dont even think it matters, but if theres a bombshell in his book, Id bet that'd be it.
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07-23-2011 , 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Palo
It's pretty ******ed to abuse someone who brings you food and/or drink if you ever intend to possibly return to that place. I don't agree with the sentiment but failure to tip when it is customary to do so is treated by many employees as abuse.
Which is understandable. However, it doesn't change the fact that the real abusers are the business owners who are putting the load on the consumer and getting away with it.

Heck, not only are they getting away with it, they have the majority of consumers belittling the minority who aren't buying into the system!

In their wildest dreams they couldn't have envisioned it going as well as it has.
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07-23-2011 , 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by varsity629
Im more interested in the drug use...Not sure if I believe he was drug-free during the US Open run at TP. I am huge fan of his, and will continue to be, but the suspicion alone is enough to open your mind up to the fact that maybe he wasnt superman playing on a broken leg. I dont even think it matters, but if theres a bombshell in his book, Id bet that'd be it.
He's already said he was taking prescribed painkillers that week. What drugs do you think he might have been using that week?
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07-24-2011 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by loK2thabrain
He's already said he was taking prescribed painkillers that week. What drugs do you think he might have been using that week?
He did? I missed that then, as I distinctly remember he being asked the weeks after he if took anything, and he firmly said no. Was this recently that he admitted that?

Narcotic pain killers were what I was wondering about.
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07-24-2011 , 01:55 PM
This thread has tilted me harder than any thread I've read on the poker forums so far, probably because I cannot voice my opinions because 1.) it's not the right place and 2.) I'll get banned for personal attacks :-/
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07-24-2011 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by varsity629
He did? I missed that then, as I distinctly remember he being asked the weeks after he if took anything, and he firmly said no. Was this recently that he admitted that?

Narcotic pain killers were what I was wondering about.
he said after the tournament that he was taking painkillers by Sunday. It's not a recent admission.
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07-24-2011 , 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by NxtWrldChamp
he said after the tournament that he was taking painkillers by Sunday. It's not a recent admission.
Ah ok, ty...def. didnt remember that. I really thought he said something like only tylenol, but apparently not as he told Maltby after the tourney that he was taking them.

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07-24-2011 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ReidLockhart
This thread has tilted me harder than any thread I've read on the poker forums so far, probably because I cannot voice my opinions because 1.) it's not the right place and 2.) I'll get banned for personal attacks :-/
Sure you can. We're talking about Tiger, tipping, and drug use. Anything is fair game!
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07-25-2011 , 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by ReidLockhart
This thread has tilted me harder than any thread I've read on the poker forums so far, probably because I cannot voice my opinions because 1.) it's not the right place and 2.) I'll get banned for personal attacks :-/
This.

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07-25-2011 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ReidLockhart
This thread has tilted me harder than any thread I've read on the poker forums so far, probably because I cannot voice my opinions because 1.) it's not the right place and 2.) I'll get banned for personal attacks :-/
Is the lack of TW support what's tilting you? I'm a little confused.
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07-25-2011 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by UCBananaboy
Is the lack of TW support what's tilting you? I'm a little confused.
I think he is refering to the tipping portion of this thread.
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07-26-2011 , 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted by bonito
I think he is refering to the tipping portion of this thread.
Just a couple of angry bus boys amirite?
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07-26-2011 , 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by loK2thabrain
Just a couple of angry bus boys amirite?
No. Just someone who doesn't like when people can't admit they're just cheap. You make it sound like if they paid their waitstaff/valet/bellman/whatever-attendant a set amount above the industry standard that they wouldn't put a strict no-tipping policy in place and that if they got paid more, the tips would astronomically increase their level of pay to the point of ridiculousness.

I've seen some golf clubs do this. They pay their attendants and shop employees "about what they would make with tips", and this is designed to ensure that everyone gets the same level of service, so guys like you don't get spit on behind your back (to your face?), and the guys that would normally toss twenties around don't get special treatment (like when they leave my car up any time I valet anywhere because I know how to pay for better service). That is money the customer is saving at the point of contact with those specific employees, but I assure you that the customer is still paying that money he would have tipped through an increase of price for the goods or services provided at the establishment.


You're not hurting "the industry" or the owners. You're hurting the guy that took a job that pays "$xxx" with a certain level of variance. Usually, the harder one works or the better service one provides correlates to the level of income one makes. This affords the industry with better service than a simple $8 or $9 or even $12 an hour steady-paycheck-job would normally provide the customer. If each employee is trying their hardest to try to maximize their income, you, the customer, are going to reap the benefits. Try getting serviced from a flat-hourly customer. It's not the same.


Anyway, that's a little beside the point. The thing that tilts me about you is that you try to defend it, much like Mr. Pink in Reservoir Dogs. They don't tip as commonly in Europe because the industry pays their employees more respectively. "It's the industry's fault." Well, that may be the case, but you're taking advantage, and you're doing it to save two American dollars anytime you're forced to valet. You're not in Europe. It is customary to tip, and you you're obviously not feigning ignorance.

I'm not asking you to tip. I'm not telling you to tip. I'm just telling you to stop kidding yourself by trying to deceive yourself into thinking you're anything but just plain cheap. Just admit that you do it because you're cheap. I have zero problem with you coming in here and saying "I don't tip because I need that two dollars more than some guy who just provided me with a service that I just technically underpaid for."



*edit* or: LOLOL I GOT TROLLED!!!
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07-26-2011 , 10:31 AM
Heh, I have about the same views as you Reid, but I bit my tongue :P

Agree with everything you wrote though. Bad-tippers, in-general, well, that's for another thread.
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07-26-2011 , 11:51 AM
I'm reading this now and I'm proud of my 4am "can't sleep: i'm gonna go post on the forums" opinion. They're usually really badly written and I'm pm'ing mods to remove them the next day!
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07-26-2011 , 12:28 PM
Obviously I don’t care if there is “another tipping” thread. I only post in the golf forum so this is where I contribute. Anyway, Tiger Splits with Williams is old news so as far as I am concerned this is now a tipping thread…don’t read it if you don’t want to.

Lok2, it is an amazingly ignorant notion that the owner is just passing the costs of employees on to the consumer. Just like any other business there is competition for the contract to provide valet services. If another company could do it cheaper they would come in and win the contract. The owners of valet companies aren’t lining their pockets any more than any other business owner. There are more costs to running a valet company than just having a wooden box to store keys. Ever hear of insurance or office space? If the owner did pay the workers an actual salary they then become “employees” and will need health insurance, workers comp, retirement etc. By having a company set up with a tipping structure it saves society the most possible. The world needs ditch diggers too, and we try to pay valets accordingly. By your not tipping you are a drag on society. By your attempt to justify your position you are making yourself look extremely ignorant to how a free society works. Just say you don’t want to tip and that is fine, ridiculous, but fine. However, by saying you are taking a stand against the man you just look stupid.

If we switched to a tip free valet service it would drive the cost UP to you and all consumers. So you are actually costing yourself EV by trying to run the tip for service industry into the ground. It is kind of a Sklansky bucks for tipping. That is why the most elite country clubs in our society are tip free. The workers there make a higher wage and have better benefits than at a club that allows tipping. Those costs are directly passed back to the members and they are fine with that because they want to have a great experience from all staff, not just the ones they grease so the club greases them all.

If you don’t want to tip, don’t use the valet. That person is not there to cater to your needs. They are working and you are simply entering into a silent contract in our society by using their services and then just running off. You have to feel pretty cool when you are getting in your car with a simple F you and driving off….I am over sensitive to those around me and I can’t believe people like you can be so oblivious to your actions. Amazing.

Also, before you give another immature “angry bus boys amitire” think it through. I have never been a bus boy, hell, I am 38 and I have never had a job. But I do understand that since I am fortunate it is my duty as a member of a free society to help those less fortunate. That is called intelligence and entrepreneurship….something you clearly do not have.
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07-26-2011 , 01:12 PM
Ship

I agree with you but I fear it is pointless.

His arguments are based off of stupidity not ignorance.

If it were based on ignorance you might have the ability to teach him something new. But unfortunatly you really cant fix stupid.
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