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06-21-2022 , 10:49 AM
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06-21-2022 , 10:51 AM
another interesting point of view: https://www.si.com/golf/news/one-of-...of-it-positive
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06-21-2022 , 10:53 AM
I guess it should be no surprise about Brooks, he and DJ are basically the same. Zero personality so fewer sponsors to lose. Both married IG skanks in an attempt to hide their insecurities. Why not take the money if you’re already that way?

Morikawa jumping ship would definitely surprise me.
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06-21-2022 , 12:39 PM
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Glad to hear that! Guess the rumor mill was wrong on this one.

I think as long as middling players keep leaving no one will really care. If they start poaching guys like Morikawa or others of his talent level/star power, the PGA Tour could be in trouble.

I guess Brooks is better than middling but he's been on the decline lately.
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06-21-2022 , 12:40 PM
I used to like Morikawa. But milk first is just psychotic.
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06-21-2022 , 12:47 PM
People can't keep acting like nobody worth mentioning has left. Losing DJ, Bryson, Reed, Koepka, etc is not nothing. The goal posts keep moving and eventually it'll be "oh, they haven't taken any of the top 3 players yet so what have they really done?". Scheffler could jump ship right now and the narrative would quickly become "he's just a fish on a heater, nbd."
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06-21-2022 , 01:05 PM
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People can't keep acting like nobody worth mentioning has left. Losing DJ, Bryson, Reed, Koepka, etc is not nothing. The goal posts keep moving and eventually it'll be "oh, they haven't taken any of the top 3 players yet so what have they really done?". Scheffler could jump ship right now and the narrative would quickly become "he's just a fish on a heater, nbd."
Agree, I am not saying they've lost no one. However losing a true top player (Scheffler, Morikawa, etc.) would feel like a potential threat to the entire tour, like a major domino falling. I don't feel like any of the names you mentioned will be missed all that much. Maybe DJ and Bryson. I don't even put Brooks in that camp, he's been injured off and on and playing lousy lately.
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06-21-2022 , 01:21 PM
I guess I look at it like this...if someone were to ask me to list off a bunch of the biggest\most recognized names in golf, it wouldn't take long before the Koepkas, Brysons, DJs etc got listed. Not necessarily the absolute best in the world at the moment, but still some of the biggest household names who still move the needle. imo
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06-21-2022 , 01:45 PM
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another interesting point of view: https://www.si.com/golf/news/one-of-...of-it-positive
That's one of the best articles/interviews I've read on this yet. Thanks for the share.

I 100% agree with this:

"“I don't like it when they say they're 'growing the game,’” Dunne said. “That's crap. I don't even like it when they say 'I have to do what's best for my family.' I really wonder how many of those guys, the lifestyle that they were living was so horrible that their family needed them to do this. Just say, 'I'm at a point in my career where I (want to) make five times as much money against much weaker competition and play less.' Just tell the truth. Don't cover it with a lot of crap.”
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06-21-2022 , 02:39 PM
That is a great article. And it was written before the US Open and Dunne had commented that how the LIV players did in the Open would be interesting to see. Only four LIV golfers even made the cut (out of 14) and best finish was T24 for Dustin Johnson. Not a good look for LIV.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/golf...4shmy3vkvqfcdw
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06-21-2022 , 03:40 PM
Monahan met with the player's advisory council earlier today at TPC River Highlands. he's scheduled to have a presser tmr. if he doesn't have an ace up his sleeve tmr, he should be relieved of his duties.
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06-21-2022 , 03:40 PM
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I guess it should be no surprise about Brooks, he and DJ are basically the same. Zero personality so fewer sponsors to lose. Both married IG skanks in an attempt to hide their insecurities. Why not take the money if you’re already that way?

Morikawa jumping ship would definitely surprise me.
That's a pretty resentful/hateful post. DJ made 16M last year away from the course. I am sure Koepka has left millions on the table with endorsements. He went awhile before commiting to Nike and has always been "low-key" in that regard.
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06-21-2022 , 03:41 PM
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Monahan met with the player's advisory council earlier today at TPC River Highlands. he's scheduled to have a presser tmr. if he doesn't have an ace up his sleeve tmr, he should be relieved of his duties.
Rumour is more money and more no cut events, which I hate for DFS golf.
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06-21-2022 , 04:14 PM
Sounds like Phil was right about leverage
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06-21-2022 , 04:26 PM
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Sounds like Phil was right about leverage
Of course he was, there is a reason other sports have had lockouts. PGA players have been getting screwed compared to other sports. On a podcast fowler spoke about how they have to pay a fee to the PGA tour to do that stuff and YouTube videos.
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06-21-2022 , 07:52 PM
I didn’t think Koepka would do it. My only guess is that he must be very confident that he will still be able to play majors. That’s the only thing that makes sense.
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06-22-2022 , 09:00 AM
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I didn’t think Koepka would do it. My only guess is that he must be very confident that he will still be able to play majors. That’s the only thing that makes sense.
If you have one a few majors you have massive exemptions but for a player like Colin you will lose those exemptions if you can no longer garner WGR points

The LIV has applied and if they get WGR points I think more players go.


PGA making major changes. No way this happens without the LIV tour

https://www.golfchannel.com/news/pga...-around-season
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06-22-2022 , 10:08 AM
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If you have one a few majors you have massive exemptions but for a player like Colin you will lose those exemptions if you can no longer garner WGR points

The LIV has applied and if they get WGR points I think more players go.


PGA making major changes. No way this happens without the LIV tour

https://www.golfchannel.com/news/pga...-around-season
Morikawa in a more advantageous 'auto-qualified for future majors' position than Koepka (except for the USO where Koepka is qualified through 2027 and Morikawa through 2025).
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06-22-2022 , 11:31 AM
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Morikawa in a more advantageous 'auto-qualified for future majors' position than Koepka (except for the USO where Koepka is qualified through 2027 and Morikawa through 2025).

Yeah bad on me I for some reason never thought he had won a major.
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06-22-2022 , 07:09 PM
Monahan announces 8 new $20M events to be held starting in 2023 season, exclusively for those in top 50 of FedEx Cup points from prior year. Those not qualifying will be able to play in an "alternate series of tournaments". It is unclear to me if these alternate tournaments would be the same week as the $20M events or some other time.

Also announced was a return to a calendar aligning season.

I assume that these $20M restricted events will also go toward FedEx Cup points, and will be weighted higher than other Tour events.

So there will need to be some planning to determine which traditional events stay "full field", which get "promoted" to the $20M events, and which get relegated or removed, as I don't think it will be possible to retain the current schedule and add 8 $20M events plus the "alternate series". So some sponsors and tour organizers will not be happy.

I expect some consideration to phase in this "alternate series" into the Korn Ferry tour, and held in what is now the start of the wrap-around season when viewership is low.

In my view this is in response to LIV, and also to the reduced # of WGC events. I'm thinking more guys who are not top 50 will consider leaving for LIV, which will hurt the tour more long term as these guys form the foundation of the Tour's growth.

I'm not sure if viewers will be interested in these $20M events so much. WGC did not generate much interest IMO, perhaps other than the match play, which seems to be more of a traditional PGA Tour event now. For me, I prefer to watch full field events as it is more difficult to beat a full field, it gives everybody an equal shot at winning, and along with it the perks.
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06-22-2022 , 07:23 PM
the eight tournaments that will now have at least a $20M purse (actually the ToC is only $15M) were announced today. they are not new tournaments. they are existing tour stops. they are not limited to the top 50 in the FedEx Cup standings.

once the calendar year seasons begin (starting in 2024), there will be three new international tournaments with purses of at least $25M only available to that year's top 50.
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06-22-2022 , 07:25 PM
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Monahan announces 8 new $20M events to be held starting in 2023 season, exclusively for those in top 50 of FedEx Cup points from prior year. Those not qualifying will be able to play in an "alternate series of tournaments". It is unclear to me if these alternate tournaments would be the same week as the $20M events or some other time.
No no no, the 8 ~$20MM events will be events that are already on the calendar. Bay Hill is one for instance. There will be 3 new events for the top 50 in the FedEx to be held after the Tour Championship while the rest of the players fight for the top 125 in the existing fall events.

****, slow pony.
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06-22-2022 , 07:54 PM
Personally, I hated when they introduced the FedEx Cup stuff. Golf has become boring, the only tournaments I watch anymore are the majors and I don't usually even watch the PGA. Maybe this will appeal to some segment of the viewership. Note that I have zero interest in watching LIV, as well. I do like some of the older regular tournies like Pebble Beach and the ones in Charlotte and Hilton Head, but that has more to do do with the courses and/or my personal experience. I will watch Ryder Cup. Things change, we change. Life goes on.
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06-23-2022 , 12:57 AM
From Golf Digest:
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Starting next year, the PGA Tour schedule will include eight limited-field no-cut events, with purses of $20 million or more each, for the top 50 finishers in the prior season’s FedEx Cup standings. Some of those events will be in the heart of the season, while others will be in the fall. Those outside the top 50 will compete in an alternate series of tournaments, where they will fight to keep their cards and earn better status for the following season. This change in structure would happen in conjunction with the tour returning to a season based on the calendar year, something Golf Digest has reported was being considered. The tour switched from a calendar-based schedule to a wraparound campaign in 2013-14.
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06-23-2022 , 07:39 AM
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From Golf Digest:
not the wording you'll find on the official PGA Tour release:

https://www.pgatour.com/news/2022/06...-playoffs.html

not saying Golf Digest got it wrong, but i'm going off what Monahan said during his presser (and obv this official press release).

edit to say: obv the ToC ain't going to have 50 players. do you think Jack wants a limited field event at his shindig? of course he doesn't. do you think The Players is going to now be a field of 50 players? of course not. is the Dell Match-Play going to go from 64 players to 50 players? of course not.

Golf Digest seems to be practicing poor journalism here. can't blame them. there are a lot of moving parts and a lot was put on the plate yday.

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