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02-18-2024 , 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by REDeYeS00
hard to argue hideki and shota
no doubt. they took this tournament by the throat

Hideki basically just played the best round in the history of this club
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02-18-2024 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ligastar
Will Z taking the MEZZ's lie angle to almost 90* at set-up

taking the putter straight back and straight through from that position is as easy as buttering your toast during your AM breakfast feasts
The maximum lie angle of a putter is 79 degrees, therefore if you place the putter perfectly vertical the heel of the putter head will be way off the ground.

So while it's physically proper to want to be at 90 degrees, the equipment rules make this impossible. You can get around it a little bit by having a very small putter head.

I've personally gone down all these avenues with a long putter over the years.
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02-18-2024 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ntnBO
The maximum lie angle of a putter is 79 degrees, therefore if you place the putter perfectly vertical the heel of the putter head will be way off the ground.

So while it's physically proper to want to be at 90 degrees, the equipment rules make this impossible. You can get around it a little bit by having a very small putter head.

I've personally gone down all these avenues with a long putter over the years.
you can clearly see Will has it very close to 90* at address (i'd guess it's at about 87* or so). the MEZZ.1 and other putter designs make it so golfers can play it 'nearly' upright if they wish

fyi, the maximum lie angle of a putter is 80* not 79*



https://www.usga.org/content/dam/usg...es%20Final.pdf

my understanding is the peeps at L.A.B. Golf will only manufacture up to 79.5* to ensure a little cushion w on-site testing equipment and whatnot should you find your putter being tested at a sanctioned event
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02-18-2024 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
The big question for today will Balionis be wearing a wedding ring
No wedding ring during the champion's interview with an extra blouse button unbuttoned for a better peek at the goodies.
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02-18-2024 , 07:28 PM
take a rip and
believe it less or not
sometimes i find it beneficial to pause
and reflect before posting one for the record books
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02-18-2024 , 08:33 PM
Literally feels like you can throw a dart at the board to pick a winner these days.

Winners in 2024 so far:

Chris Kirk
Grayson Murray
Nick Dunlap
Matthieu Pavon
Wyndham Clark
Nick Taylor
Hidecki

Definitely did not see Hidecki coming from 6 back to win going away. I had kind of forgotten about him to be honest.
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02-18-2024 , 08:47 PM
I would like to hear from gmcarroll or rickroll on this week's Saturday AM tournament odds. It seems shooting the uber low scores is easier than the past, so maybe the books are late to catch on.

59% win equity for Cantlay did not look right to me.
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02-18-2024 , 09:24 PM
Just thinking logically about that....

1, you have to have a guy go deep while the leader doesn't do much
2, even if #1 happens, you then have to cover ~30 players who could make it happen at long odds

Just from what I've seen from odds postings here, there's plenty of value to be had if you know all the guys on tour and not just the players TV loves.
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02-18-2024 , 09:35 PM
Except Matsuyama was behind only 9 guys after 36.

The primary assumption in books offering huge odds for guys 8+ shots back is that scoring follows a normal distribution, or reasonably close to that.

If it follows a uniform distribution, or closer to uniform than normal (to a point), then models can show these high odds can be exploited.

Who can forget Els winning British Open @400:1 only behind by 4 with 6 holes left?

See: expected lifetime of cockroach.
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02-18-2024 , 09:49 PM
I think in general playing the lesser known guys heading into Sat or Sun is good value. If they are in the lead, they are often still betting underdogs to bigger names who are trailing them. If they are even a stroke or 2 behind a big name, the odds are usually overly long, and you can get a good price.

I had List today at +550. This was right after he had tied for the lead. Didn't work out but was still a +EV wager imo. Books were still heavy on Cantlay to win.

Betting the longshots has definitely worked out so far this year. Now I suppose Scottie and Rory will start winning everything lol.
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02-19-2024 , 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by ligastar
you can clearly see Will has it very close to 90* at address (i'd guess it's at about 87* or so). the MEZZ.1 and other putter designs make it so golfers can play it 'nearly' upright if they wish

fyi, the maximum lie angle of a putter is 80* not 79*



https://www.usga.org/content/dam/usg...es%20Final.pdf

my understanding is the peeps at L.A.B. Golf will only manufacture up to 79.5* to ensure a little cushion w on-site testing equipment and whatnot should you find your putter being tested at a sanctioned event
I learned that the max was 80* from a Curb Your Enthusiasm episode. Richard Lewis cheated Larry out of $500.
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