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Old 02-16-2019, 11:15 AM   #226
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huh? they negotiated the financial considerations before the tournament started.
If you want to be technical about things, from what I have read the caddy thought the negotiations were a broad outline. Since there is a $1 million difference between first and 10th, he never thought that the amount promised for a "top 10 finish" was the final figure for a win, or even top three or four.

The caddy negotiated in good faith, assuming that the player would follow established norms, which he didn't.

Plus, Kuchar already admitted he was wrong. Maybe time to get on board?
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Old 02-16-2019, 11:39 AM   #227
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If you want to be technical about things, from what I have read the caddy thought the negotiations were a broad outline. Since there is a $1 million difference between first and 10th, he never thought that the amount promised for a "top 10 finish" was the final figure for a win, or even top three or four.

The caddy negotiated in good faith, assuming that the player would follow established norms, which he didn't.

Plus, Kuchar already admitted he was wrong. Maybe time to get on board?
El Tucan was a local resort fill-in caddie and not a traveling PGA Tour caddie. the payment structure (top-10 finish, win, etc.) associated with a normal PGA Tour caddie don't apply in this relationship.

once again, they negotiated pay for El Tucan's services BEFORE the tournament began. if Kooch had missed the cut, would you have been fine with Kooch ignoring their pre-tournament financial agreement and shipping El Tucan $400? (2 x his daily rate of $200) if you're not OK with Kooch shipping $400 in this spot then you're being disingenuous.

Kuchar "admitted he was wrong" b/c of the social media white knights forcing his hand. he made this statement y'day b/c he needed to get this issue behind him now b/c he'll be back in Mexico in two days.

Kooch on his own saw that $5k wasn't appropriate and reached out to El Tucan to ship him $15k more. by this time ppl (social media white knight types) had gotten to him and El Tucan decided to play the PR angle to juice Kooch for more money.
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Old 02-16-2019, 12:16 PM   #228
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Kooch on his own saw that $5k wasn't appropriate and reached out to El Tucan to ship him $15k more. by this time ppl (social media white knight types) had gotten to him and El Tucan decided to play the PR angle to juice Kooch for more money.
Actually it was his agent that offered him that money. This is a time I am glad social media pressured him into doing the right thing. He was already hearing the hecklers at the Genesis.

If I was him I would have paid him the going rate not the $50,000 though he did make a donation also.
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Old 02-16-2019, 12:24 PM   #229
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Actually it was his agent that offered him that money. This is a time I am glad social media pressured him into doing the right thing. He was already hearing the hecklers at the Genesis.

If I was him I would have paid him the going rate not the $50,000 though he did make a donation also.
I don't believe the going rate is 10% of a win for someone who is just carrying a bag. He's not a tour caddie.
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Old 02-16-2019, 01:00 PM   #230
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This is funny because earlier today I mentioned the Kuchar story to my wife who doesn't follow golf. Her response was that he should ship the caddie some money and issue an apology. Then I learned that's exactly what he did. I guess if he had consulted her earlier he would have saved himself a lot of trouble.
My wife's response would have been cool story bro followed by I don't care.
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Old 02-16-2019, 01:02 PM   #231
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I don't believe the going rate is 10% of a win for someone who is just carrying a bag. He's not a tour caddie.
Based on what I've read, it's 5 percent for a non-tour caddie.
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Old 02-16-2019, 02:18 PM   #232
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One might give Kuchar the small benefit of the doubt as he probably hasn't used a local caddie in many many years and might be clueless as to the standard procedure.

Here is another view from a tour pro, tweeted before the apology and additional payment. It is reasonable to assume that he used a local caddie while playing on the web.com tour in South America, though he doesn't explicitly state that. Also, he means first place $ when he wrote "purse":

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Old 02-16-2019, 08:17 PM   #233
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Old 02-16-2019, 08:53 PM   #234
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Old 02-16-2019, 08:58 PM   #235
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It would appear that Speef still has the yips.
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Old 02-17-2019, 12:12 AM   #236
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That was an exciting 4 holes to watch.
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Old 02-17-2019, 12:23 AM   #237
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My wife's response would have been cool story bro followed by I don't care.
I'm pretty sure my wife doesn't care either but occasionally she humors me to make me feel good. So I have that going for me, which is nice.
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Old 02-17-2019, 03:34 PM   #238
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Speef with one of the biggest hosel rockets I’ve ever seen by a pro
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Old 02-17-2019, 04:47 PM   #239
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Lol Speef, good front nine bro
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Old 02-17-2019, 05:39 PM   #240
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JB Holmes, to the surprise of noone, takes 5 minutes to get a free drop and hit again
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Old 02-17-2019, 06:50 PM   #241
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oh my JB. oh my.
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Old 02-17-2019, 07:10 PM   #242
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Adam Scott ... so much talent with 13 of the clubs in the bag.
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Old 02-17-2019, 07:32 PM   #243
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oopsies, JT
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Old 02-17-2019, 07:52 PM   #244
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Hey, Nantz. Nothing says tribute like saying, "We want to remember Charlie Sipper."

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Old 02-17-2019, 07:54 PM   #245
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Adam Scott ... so much talent with 13 of the clubs in the bag.

To be fair, no one can putt today or really in this tournament. I've seen plenty of 4, 5, and 6 footers missed by everyone.
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Old 02-17-2019, 08:29 PM   #246
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SPEEF with the par save on 18 to card the 81.
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Old 02-17-2019, 08:36 PM   #247
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Man, no one wants to win this thing.
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Old 02-17-2019, 09:06 PM   #248
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JT with a very speef-like choke today
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Old 02-17-2019, 09:26 PM   #249
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+10 which included a cold shank and a quad. Spieth has been terrible on Saturday and Sunday this year.

Why didn't Koepka play this week? I assume he's playing next week WGC?
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Old 02-17-2019, 09:47 PM   #250
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No video of Jordo's quad so far...

Shot 1 276 yds to right green side bunker, 81 ft 3 in. to hole
Shot 2 35 yds to right rear green side bunker, 25 ft 0 in. to hole
Shot 3 4 ft 3 in. to right rear green side bunker, 20 ft 9 in. to hole
Shot 4 3 ft 7 in. to right rear green side bunker, 17 ft 6 in. to hole
Shot 5 4 ft 4 in. to right rear green side bunker, 21 ft 5 in. to hole
Shot 6 33 ft 8 in. to green, 11 ft 11 in. to hole
Shot 7 putt 13 ft 3 in., 18 in. to hole
Shot 8 in the hole

and then he goes and pars the last 8 holes in the worst of the wind, as he was already +10 after 10.

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As far as Mexico goes, brooks is in the field. Only WDs so far: Rose, Scott, Day.
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