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Old 07-21-2021, 10:18 AM   #2876
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For win rate on PGA tour check out Bobby Locke. In 59 tour events between 1947-49 Locke won 11 times. He was then banned for missing commitments to tournaments, but many thought that was just a ruse to get him off the tour. He continues to hold the record for largest winning margin for a PGA tour event, 16 shots.

He was not the best ball striker but his putting was beyond good. He was able to hook putts thru thick bermuda grass, common at the time as agronomists had not developed the cultivars we have today. After winning a tournament, he was asked how he could miss a 3 foot putt late in the round, and on the very next hole make a 40 footer. His reply: "the putt I made wasn't harder, just longer. Don't you see?" His famous hickory shafted putter was replicated by Slazenger, but his original putter has not been discovered and is likely lost for the ages. Gary Player claims he knows Locke's putting technique, but I have never seen Player able to put the kind of spin on the ball required to hook the ball that Locke was able to do.

Locke would go on to win 4 British Opens, and only returned to the US for the US Open, which he never won. I only bring up Locke because he was banned when Hogan began his great run. Although I don't feel Locke was a threat to Hogan's dominance, Locke possibly could have won another 20-25 events (and possibly a major or 2) and be thought of as a great player of that era.

IMO comparing Hogan's ball striking with Morikawa is like comparing Djokovic's return of serve vs. Jimmy Connors or Andre Agassi. Equipment plays a big role, and golf equipment of 60+ years ago is quite a bit different than today.

And how many modern players could pull off this shot:

Nobody even carries a 1 iron anymore so I guess it would be close to impossible.
A 219 yard 1-iron with the wind helping? Nope nobody is hitting that today. It was a super shot for its era and the situation. Every player on tour has hit the stick or holed out from 200+ so what is the point? It's an iconic moment ... not some kind of shot other players can't hit. Meanwhile there are a lot of shots the old-timers can't hit that are played routinely today.

The Locke story is interesting ... I didn't know much about it. Is there evidence of surrepticious reasons for why?

Yeah equipment is maybe half of it and the athletes half, something like that.
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Old 07-21-2021, 06:38 PM   #2877
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Meanwhile there are a lot of shots the old-timers can't hit that are played routinely today.
This is objectively false. All you have to do is listen to that youtube ad (for like a golf masterclass) where tiger talks about how shot shaping is gone from the game bc the ball flies so straight.
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Old 07-21-2021, 06:48 PM   #2878
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A 219 yard 1-iron with the wind helping? Nope nobody is hitting that today. It was a super shot for its era and the situation. Every player on tour has hit the stick or holed out from 200+ so what is the point? It's an iconic moment ... not some kind of shot other players can't hit. Meanwhile there are a lot of shots the old-timers can't hit that are played routinely today.
Per Nicklaus himself, the wind was in and from the left. So much so he wasn’t sure if 1-iron was enough club. And this from the longest player in the game at that time.

219 yards into the wind, brisk conditions at sea level. Probably playing 240.
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Old 07-21-2021, 10:15 PM   #2879
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He said it was into the wind, but look at the flag on the video. Obv could have been a swirling wind. Still it's just a very difficult shot that any pro could pull off some of the time, so I don't get the apparent claim no one else could do it. And I can hook or fade any ball on the market tons.
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Old 07-21-2021, 11:24 PM   #2880
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He said it was into the wind, but look at the flag on the video.
That's a good catch, it was obviously downwind.
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Old 07-22-2021, 08:13 AM   #2881
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But also looks somewhat into his face based on his hair moving.
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Old 07-22-2021, 08:40 AM   #2882
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We got a real moon landing conspiracy vibe going on in here. Dissecting that video to discover the truth!
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Old 07-22-2021, 11:56 AM   #2883
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Old 07-22-2021, 07:03 PM   #2884
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Morikawa "undisputed best iron player on the planet." Hmm. But of course he can't be compared to this guy 70 years ago. Of course not.

https://golf.com/news/tiger-woods-co...-irons-lesson/
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Old 07-22-2021, 07:17 PM   #2885
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here's the Zapruder film

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Old 07-22-2021, 07:20 PM   #2886
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Which grassy knoll was involved in that shot?
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Old 07-22-2021, 07:36 PM   #2887
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Morikawa "undisputed best iron player on the planet." Hmm. But of course he can't be compared to this guy 70 years ago. Of course not.

https://golf.com/news/tiger-woods-co...-irons-lesson/
The sky is blue and the sun sets in the west. I’m sure you’ll refute that too.
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Old 07-22-2021, 09:58 PM   #2888
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My plan is to get famous by becoming a Jack Nicklaus truther. Check out my channel at www.youtube.com/jackneverlandedonthemoon.
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Old 07-22-2021, 10:54 PM   #2889
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Old 07-23-2021, 07:38 AM   #2890
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Old 07-23-2021, 02:41 PM   #2891
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PSA: coverage of the U.S. Junior Am semis airing on Peacock at 15:00. One semi-final pits Luke Clanton (who beat CC of NC member and Junior Am favorite Jackson Van Paris in the R16) against Cohen Trilio (who made the semis of the '19 U.S. Am), while the other semis is Luke Potter vs Nicholas Dunlap (the 2021 Dustin Johnson Junior World Championship winner).
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Old 07-23-2021, 02:51 PM   #2892
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Randomly watched 2 or 3 holes of Matt Wolff on the coverage yesterday. He seemed to be hitting it all over the planet. So today I looked to see where he was...started from the bottom up and expected to see him a few over. Nope 69-69 (-4).

Guys are pretty good.

Everyone's favorite punching bag Grayson Murray trunk slammed after a dub on his first hole this morning. Not sure if injured.
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Old 07-23-2021, 04:06 PM   #2893
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#17 downwind? Look at the flag again, it's obviously in from the right. it blew the ball about 3 yards left just while the camera was on it. And if it were downwind the ball would never have reacted that way when it hit the green.

It might play downwind in October during a Santa Ana. It almost never plays downwind otherwise.
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Old 07-23-2021, 04:36 PM   #2894
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PSA: coverage of the U.S. Junior Am semis airing on Peacock at 15:00. One semi-final pits Luke Clanton (who beat CC of NC member and Junior Am favorite Jackson Van Paris in the R16) against Cohen Trilio (who made the semis of the '19 U.S. Am), while the other semis is Luke Potter vs Nicholas Dunlap (the 2021 Dustin Johnson Junior World Championship winner).
Coming down to the wire in the Dunlap match (AS thru #13). They said Dunlap Monday qualified for a KF event earlier this year and led the field in driving distance.

Last edited by ligastar; 07-23-2021 at 04:44 PM. Reason: AS thru #13, not #14
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Old 07-23-2021, 04:50 PM   #2895
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Morikawa "undisputed best iron player on the planet." Hmm. But of course he can't be compared to this guy 70 years ago. Of course not.

https://golf.com/news/tiger-woods-co...-irons-lesson/
Um ... just yes. LOL at oldtimer-aments.
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Old 07-23-2021, 06:05 PM   #2896
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More Nicklaus 1 irons:

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I left myself 238 yards. A little wind was coming up, it was in my face. Uphill, to that green, over a bunker. And I don't know what possessed me but I said, "aw, 1 iron." Anyway, it was probably the best 1 iron I ever hit.

I believe this is a later model. The original 1 iron is in the USGA museum.

A "1" on the sole of an iron looks so cool. I recall with the Hogan 1 irons, the "1" was oversized but fit perfectly on the sole.

Faldo tells the story of going to Scotland in 1973 to watch the Open, and being mesmerized watching Nicklaus and Weiskopf hitting sky high 1 irons on the range.
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Old 07-23-2021, 11:48 PM   #2897
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Everyone's favorite punching bag Grayson Murray trunk slammed after a dub on his first hole this morning. Not sure if injured.
He just posted a bit of a rant on Twitter, actually more like a cry for help. Poor guy is not doing well.
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Old 07-24-2021, 10:07 AM   #2898
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I found this article interesting. Bubba played a 6100 yard public course to see how low he could go. Funny line is when he asks someone in his group how strong the wind is and the guy replies that it's adding about a yard. Bubba says "a yard? that's not a thing"

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/bub...at-your-course

spoiler: he shot a 62
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Old 07-24-2021, 05:15 PM   #2899
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He just posted a bit of a rant on Twitter, actually more like a cry for help. Poor guy is not doing well.

Just read it. He’s obv been a complete dipshit for the last few years but I hope he is able to get himself together
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Old 07-25-2021, 10:22 PM   #2900
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Louis continues his incredible play. The dude is bound to bink a few before too long.
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