Official 2013 PGA Tour FEDEX CUP Discussion Thread - Page 97

I don't even care about the field. Youre getting too technical. Its the Masters vs a WGC event. One is a major and one is not. And as you saw with Rory, its a major in which the best in the world can completely fall apart. The amount of pressure standing on 18 at augusta needing to make par to win on Sunday doesn't compare to a WGC event in the same scenario. Get real.

Youre not putting enough emphasis on how difficult it is to win a Masters. I believe if you asked all tour players, they would tell you its far more difficult to win a Masters than a WGC.

So you're saying a Masters is tougher to win than WGC cuz you said so?

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03-27-2013 , 10:05 PM

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Its also funny because Furyk completely choked away the Bridgestone to Keegan last year. No pressure in WGCs!

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03-27-2013 , 10:07 PM

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So do the Tiger people give any weight at all the Nicklaus having so many more top 3 finishes in the majors or do they throw out everything that isn't a W?

I wasn't gonna bring it up because this is the hardest point to defeat of any for those of us in the TigerGOAT camp. I give that stat a lot of weight.

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03-27-2013 , 10:15 PM

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Jack finished top-3 in 34 of the first 66 majors he competed in. That's just f scary. Tiger has 24, which is still impressive, but Jack wins in this stat. Still, all the other arguments about strength of field, stroke gaps, etc., apply, but to me, if you're a Jack person, this is your best argument.

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03-27-2013 , 10:42 PM

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So, in your opinion, this stat means more than jack winning 18 to Tiger's 14?

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03-27-2013 , 10:48 PM

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Jack has also played alot more majors than Tiger too which is why you cant just say 18>14 and thats it

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03-27-2013 , 10:54 PM

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Jack has also played alot more majors than Tiger too which is why you cant just say 18>14 and thats it

This is precisely why those who think Tiger is the GOAT have a lot to learn, the above statement is incredibly ludicrous. You are trying to crown him long before his career is over and you cannot do that. GOAT is measured over a career, so let Tiger finish his career and then figure it out.

By saying Jack has played more majors and it's not fair, Keegan Bradley would have been the GOAT after his PGA win. He was 1 for 1 in majors, GOAT for sure.

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03-27-2013 , 10:56 PM

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Being the best golfer of all time and having the largest cumulative resume and not necessarily the same thing.

If you fail to understand why, then God help your soul.

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03-27-2013 , 10:57 PM

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Jack has also played alot more majors than Tiger too which is why you cant just say 18>14 and thats it

Ok. Hypothetically, when Tiger is tied in majors played with Jack and still hasn't surpassed his mark of 18. Is Tiger still the greatest?

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03-27-2013 , 10:58 PM

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Our stance is that Tiger's career is already better than Jacks. There's nothing wrong with that statement and obviously ruins the absurd Keegan Bradley example.

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03-27-2013 , 10:59 PM

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Ok. Hypothetically, when Tiger is tied in majors played with Jack and still hasn't surpassed his mark of 18. Is Tiger still the greatest?

It depends.

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03-27-2013 , 10:59 PM

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Breakyaneck,

In your mind, have you already chalked up that Tiger will win more majors than Jack?

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03-27-2013 , 11:00 PM

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Maybe all golfers say to the media they care about winning majors/tournaments etc but all they really care about is money. This includes Jack/Tiger.

Therefore Tiger>Jack

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03-27-2013 , 11:04 PM

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Our stance is that Tiger's career is already better than Jacks.

Run! Get away from that sinkhole!

Of course the Keegan example is silly, equally as silly as stating 18<14 for a career because 14 has played fewer events.

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03-27-2013 , 11:06 PM

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It depends.

Well you already think he's the best right now with his current resume, correct?

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03-27-2013 , 11:07 PM

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Run! Get away from that sinkhole!

Of course the Keegan example is silly, equally as silly as stating 18<14 for a career because 14 has played fewer events.

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All simplistic statements such as the ones above are all equally absurd. Including those that simply rank players by number of majors won without considering any other variables.

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03-27-2013 , 11:08 PM

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Well you already think he's the best right now with his current resume, correct?

I think it's quite close, but yes I think Tiger has a slight edge in my mind because I think he plays against much deeper fields and therefore his majors/results in general were tougher to win.

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03-27-2013 , 11:10 PM

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Jack has an impressive 2nd place in majors total.

How many of them were 73-71-72-65's? Also, any chokes?

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03-27-2013 , 11:14 PM

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Obviously there is a sample size that must be met.

Hypothetically Tiger wins the Masters, US Open, Open Championship then Leoslayer takes him out. His career is over.

Who is your GOAT Golfer?

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03-27-2013 , 11:17 PM

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Obviously there is a sample size that must be met.

Hypothetically Tiger wins the Masters, US Open, Open Championship then Leoslayer takes him out. His career is over.

Who is your GOAT Golfer?

Leo got beaten by his own wife. He's not taking down a guy who trained with the Navy SEALs

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03-27-2013 , 11:19 PM

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Jack was more consistent and Tiger was more streaky with higher peaks. Winning the US Open by 15 is insane, definitely better than any single feat of Jack's career

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03-27-2013 , 11:21 PM

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Breakyaneck,

In your mind, have you already chalked up that Tiger will win more majors than Jack?

I already think Tiger has had a better career than Jack has had which is why I believe he is the GOAT. However I do also think Tiger will win more majors than Jack did anyways, just a matter of time

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03-27-2013 , 11:23 PM

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This is precisely why those who think Tiger is the GOAT have a lot to learn, the above statement is incredibly ludicrous. You are trying to crown him long before his career is over and you cannot do that. GOAT is measured over a career, so let Tiger finish his career and then figure it out.

By saying Jack has played more majors and it's not fair, Keegan Bradley would have been the GOAT after his PGA win. He was 1 for 1 in majors, GOAT for sure.

BO

This is exactly why no one can ever throw out the last 6 years of Jacks career to try and make his numbers more comparable to Tigers. Tigers number crush Jacks

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03-27-2013 , 11:37 PM

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If you really want me to guess the answer is about the same

Thanks. Now for the third time... (hopefully this time you expound)... why do you believe this?

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This is lazy thinking. "Let's wait until stuff ends before we can qualify it" is pure laziness or just an inability to think at a reasonable level.

Unfortunately the world isn't this clean and neat. We have to make assumptions and projections to determine things. For this exercise, you can imagine Tiger dies tonight in a fiery plane crash. Now his career is over! Voila...your thoughts?

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Run! Get away from that sinkhole!

Of course the Keegan example is silly, equally as silly as stating 18<14 for a career because 14 has played fewer events.

BO

If you don't see a difference between a sample size of 1 and 14 then you are less intelligent than any of us thought.

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